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04-26-2013 , 11:33 AM

#51

Nice_2_Beat_U

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,287

thank you for the quick reply.

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04-26-2013 , 12:42 PM

#52

KidFernandes

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 201

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Steve

There is no rule against using a VPN to play on PokerStars.

You are not allowed to engage in real money play or transactions while located in the US.

Those who attempt to play for real money while located in the US may utilize a VPN in attempting to do so. Those using a VPN to play from outside the US are likely to find their activities scrutinized more closely because their behavior matches that of those who are attempting to break our rules.

If you use a VPN to play from Canada, be aware that you may find yourself inconvenienced by requests to verify your location.

Thanks for the quick reply Steve. Clearly if you use a VPN anywhere you're likely to be inconvenienced, even if for legitimate purposes, which is good to know before I try it. (-: I'll make sure the one I'm using has an "off" switch for when I'm on Stars. Or maybe there is even a way to tell it when I'm using a specific app like Stars not to go through the VPN for routing. I'll do a bit more digging into it. thanks again for your answer.

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04-27-2013 , 10:15 AM

#53

Amatus

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 21

hello Pokerstars Steve,

when I live in the UK for example and travel alot, is it okay to use a VPN to make a deposit via Skrill when I am currently in a Country like Thailand where Skrill only works with VPN?

Thank you for any reply

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04-27-2013 , 11:22 AM

#54

kjemmy

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,101

Steve, I'm curious, what happened to the funds of those who were ''caught'' playing in the US with a VPN? Were they confiscated and lost for the players, simply frozen (and still are), or have they been given back?

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04-27-2013 , 01:00 PM

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PenelopeCruz

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I've been told by someone at stars that they donate it to charity.

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04-28-2013 , 04:45 PM

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PokerStars Steve

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Originally Posted by Amatus

Please ask this question of Skrill. At PokerStars we do not have any problem with this, but they might.

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Originally Posted by kjemmy

We evaluated each situation on a case-by-case basis. The answer is not the same for all cases.

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04-28-2013 , 11:38 PM

#57

jakedamus

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Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,992

cmon on steve what about the hookers and blow partys u guys have with the $$

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04-29-2013 , 10:38 AM

#58

ATOTHEC101

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Steve

Please ask this question of Skrill. At PokerStars we do not have any problem with this, but they might.

We evaluated each situation on a case-by-case basis. The answer is not the same for all cases.

Ok...but in general, the money went to charities? Other wise where else would it go considering sharing it among other players wouldn't be applicable as no one was cheated out of any money.

A clear answer would be appreciated.

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04-29-2013 , 04:32 PM

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PokerStars Steve

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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

Money not returned to players was given to charities.

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04-29-2013 , 04:58 PM

#60

rouliroul

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Which ones?

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04-29-2013 , 05:09 PM

#61

PokerStars Steve

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Steve

Money not returned to players was given to charities.

A colleague reminded me that the money is not instantly given to charities upon confiscation, it's an ongoing process. As such, it's inaccurate to say that all money was given to charities, though some has been. It all will be given to charities.

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04-29-2013 , 05:20 PM

#62

Two SHAE

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They probably give it to "charities" cough cough politicians

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04-29-2013 , 11:04 PM

#63

hoodskier

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^Pretty sure they usually donate money to charities that help gambling addicts.

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04-30-2013 , 01:41 AM

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YaYaYa

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Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 52

They froze my account with 30kish on it. They reinstated my account a few months later and gave all the money back to me.

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04-30-2013 , 02:36 PM

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dellp0ker

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 10

It's funny I had an account that I lost a bit on over a few years with stars and I hit a tourney for 25k and they instantly wanted verification... they should just verify when u open right away...was pretty annoying....paying rake for years and not as word from them...

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04-30-2013 , 03:09 PM

#66

Rant

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Originally Posted by PenelopeCruz

I've been told by someone at stars that they donate it to charity.

Human Fund?

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05-01-2013 , 07:39 AM

#67

eldodo42

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Originally Posted by dellp0ker

Could you explain why you think this is inappropriate or annoying? Seems totally fine as far as I can see.

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05-02-2013 , 05:29 AM

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insidemanpoker

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Originally Posted by Rant

Human Fund?

Just in case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJvbZZWt9g4

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05-04-2013 , 03:25 PM

#69

shtsTOOeazy

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 303

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Steve

There is no rule against using a VPN to play on PokerStars.

You are not allowed to engage in real money play or transactions while located in the US.

Those who attempt to play for real money while located in the US may utilize a VPN in attempting to do so. Those using a VPN to play from outside the US are likely to find their activities scrutinized more closely because their behavior matches that of those who are attempting to break our rules.

If you use a VPN to play from Canada, be aware that you may find yourself inconvenienced by requests to verify your location.

Because I may find myself in this situation in the near future I'd like to know what steps players would need to take to verify their location please.

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05-04-2013 , 05:46 PM

#70

wtfdude

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Well, if you wanna play poker throught vpn and break rules atleast set vpn properly (ie set your pc to shut down immediately all connections to the internet once vpn/connection goes down)..

I dont feel sorry for you, you are stupid.

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05-06-2013 , 09:00 AM

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PokerStars Steve

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Originally Posted by shtsTOOeazy

Because I may find myself in this situation in the near future I'd like to know what steps players would need to take to verify their location please.

Unfortunately, this is information that is also highly desired by those who wish to try to break our rules by playing from the US through a VPN. I can't provide you any more details.

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05-06-2013 , 10:13 AM

#72

sheetsworld

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Steve

Unfortunately, this is information that is also highly desired by those who wish to try to break our rules by playing from the US through a VPN. I can't provide you any more details.

#stevepwns

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05-08-2013 , 03:54 AM

#73

bigsid

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Originally Posted by M0n3y0nf$r3

This is really bad precedent. False potives from stars or other sites = bankroll concfiscation? I've been accused of playing from Australan IP's before, while playing from delaware. It all got sorted out, but confiscation is extreme. Ban is more appropriate.

just trying too get the money from old DEBTS owed them from FTP_PROS.

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05-10-2013 , 10:02 AM

#74

Black Hat

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Whether or not OP did something stupid is besides the point. Confiscating someones entire bankroll for this is despicable and outright theft in my mind. When someone breaks your TOS you should ban their account not steal their hard earned money. This is bad for the industry altogether is it derails the trust people need when storing large sums of money online.

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05-10-2013 , 10:15 AM

#75

FoxUK

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Hi Steve

Out of interest, how much money was donated to charities by PS in total in the last year as a result of confiscations of the sort this thread is talking about?

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