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Pocket aces, should I have found a fold OTR? Pocket aces, should I have found a fold OTR?

04-12-2015 , 06:32 AM
BB: 115.7 BB (VPIP: 48.15, PFR: 37.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
UTG: 107.8 BB (VPIP: 22.86, PFR: 17.14, 3Bet Preflop: 2.00, Hands: 107)
MP: 226.6 BB (VPIP: 20.93, PFR: 18.60, 3Bet Preflop: 8.11, Hands: 177)
Hero (CO): 100 BB
BTN: 124.9 BB (VPIP: 33.90, PFR: 20.34, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 59)
SB: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 19.59, PFR: 14.33, 3Bet Preflop: 7.20, Hands: 356)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, SB calls 1.5 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 3 players) J 2 Q
SB checks, BB bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, SB calls 3 BB

Turn: (15 BB, 3 players) 7
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

River: (15 BB, 3 players) K
SB bets 7.5 BB, BB calls 7.5 BB, Hero calls 7.5 BB

Felt a bit like I didn't know what to do with this one. Flop and turn hit their calling ranges quite well. Definitely didn't feel like raising the flop donk bet even though it's only half pot.

Should I bet turn? Drawy board but it's multiway and we do only have a pair. If we don't bet turn what about river? I'd snap if BB folded, or if SB checked then BB bet, but with a bet and a call what's the odds we're good? Many 2 pairs now and some draws got there. But we're getting a good price, hand is underrepped...just convinced myself to call it off in the end.

I'm thinking now that turn check was awful and it's a clear bet since they should be betting QJ and if SB had QJ he's going to checkraise it a fair bit OTF probably.
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04-12-2015 , 07:52 AM
Oh my. This hand is completely butchered.

I'm raising his donk bet on the flop. If it was drier, maybe not. But QJ hits a lot of ranges that will continue against a raise. And folding out one of the players isn't the worst thing in the world.

As played, betting the turn definitely.

And as played, not folding the river. And I'm raising this to 3bb preflop in CO.
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04-12-2015 , 09:22 AM
This is a mess. Raise more pre? Raise that flop! Bet that turn. As played just call river, you are last to act so its safe + BB doesn't look so strong.
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04-12-2015 , 09:34 AM
Min raise is my standard from CO and BTN. Can't really vary that according to hand strength.

Never really sure how strong to play big puts multiway. If it were heads up I'd be going for 3 streets, it's the presence of 2 players that messes it up in my head. Heads up we really need to bet bet bet A A so we can be balanced with our bluffs and have a bet/fold range OTR. Multiway I'm still not sure how that changes which hands we need to go for 3 streets with.
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04-12-2015 , 09:57 AM
pre flop you should at least make 2.5x, people in the micro dont respect a 2x open, i would raise otf for value and beacause of some straight combinations, bet ott, and call otr, people didnt show much strengh, you are probably good, and its kind of player dependent, if they are fishes, they might just be betting and calling second or even third pair as i've seen in the micros.
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04-12-2015 , 10:03 AM
Dude nobody knows or cares about your standard CO and BTN raise size unless you're playing for high stakes. What stakes is this in? Always make it 3x pre and when you have a good hand bet BIG. A draw heavy board is just more reason to bet and the bet should be big so they get bad odds on calling. You missed out on a lot of value here. Don't be afraid.
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04-12-2015 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by AA-suited
Dude nobody knows or cares about your standard CO and BTN raise size unless you're playing for high stakes.
i dont think you should open acordinglly to you strength, at least on pokerstars where there is always a regular or two on your table, even in the 2nl, i've seen regulars do that, and its just so easy to exploit them
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04-12-2015 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by fr4m3ofm1nd
i dont think you should open acordinglly to you strength, at least on pokerstars where there is always a regular or two on your table, even in the 2nl, i've seen regulars do that, and its just so easy to exploit them
Just open 3x everytime. Yes you shouldn't open accordingly to your strength but you shouldn't have a min raise as a standard opening.
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04-12-2015 , 11:05 AM
yea, i make 3x in the CO and 2.5x in the button...
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04-12-2015 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by fr4m3ofm1nd
yea, i make 3x in the CO and 2.5x in the button...
Why not keep it at 3x all the time unless somebody limps? I don't see why you should change it up. Your opponents will not think ''oh he made it 2.5x, that's his standard button raise''. They will think ''He changed his open size, wonder why. Must have a good/bad hand''. In MTTs I see a reason for changing your size but not in cash. Atleast not in the micro stakes.
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04-12-2015 , 12:53 PM
I make it 2 in later position so I'm not as vulnerable to 3Bets. The main question is whether to bet turn/call river IMO. I make sure I'm not getting exploited with my opening size (i.e I call enough so they can't 3Bet any two)
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04-12-2015 , 01:03 PM
Turn definite bet. River is a call, we can have the best hand often here and good odds. Flop is the closest decision imo, raise fold sounds good as a default
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04-12-2015 , 01:10 PM
I don't think there's any need to min open the CO and it's probably just missing value in most micros games.
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04-12-2015 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AA-suited
Why not keep it at 3x all the time unless somebody limps? I don't see why you should change it up. Your opponents will not think ''oh he made it 2.5x, that's his standard button raise''. They will think ''He changed his open size, wonder why. Must have a good/bad hand''. In MTTs I see a reason for changing your size but not in cash. Atleast not in the micro stakes.
cause in the button i am opening such a wide range of hands that i want to keep as cheaply as possible, and i dont have to worry about playing OOP
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