Playing NL10

Hero BB 35% VPIP out of 911 hands( I know, very loose but was catching cards for a bit), but was playing this full ring TAG averaging 18% VPIP this round
Villain BTN 23%VPIP out of 13 hands (just sat down recently) had a 67% Cbet fold rate.
Hero Stack $8.50
Donkey $4.55
Villain $10

Folds to a LP 40% VPIP donkey who raised to $0.35 (seen him R with 9 10 O)
BTN calls (figured it was a position call)range,meh..K10,A10 type hands.
SB folds
Hero 3bets to $0.90 KK
Call
Call

Pot-$2.75
Flop
1093
Figured Villains range a draw at this point and wanted to get stacks in good.

Hero Bets the pot $2.75
Donkey folds as expected
Villain calls...Ruh Roh!!

Pot now-$8.25
I figure Villain hit a piece of the flop, figuring A-10, J-10 possibly 9-10

Turn Card 8 Sunofabitch....

Hero shoves the remaining $5.50 of my stack
Villain calls

River 4


Discuss....

so you shoved turn? anyway you 3b is way to small out of the blinds for starters, 2nd the turn cardyou shove on is not a great one for you as it 2prs and str8s alot of our taggy villain btn flatting range so i dont like what we are accomplishing with that bet unless we know villain is calling his stack off with tpgk which is unlikely if he is a decent reg and since you 3b etc he can easily put you on overs, i like a check ott as played

What should I have 3 bet PF?? the raise was 3x the BB, my RR was 3x that, should I have gone higher?

And Yes I shoved turn let me fix the OP to reflect that.

Your 3bet pre should be like $1.60.

Don't just bet the pot on the flop, make it like 60% of pot or something.

Buy in for the full $10.

well you oop with 2 callers who have position so as a standard size we need to make oop blind 3bets bigger then btn 3bets so instead of 3x we need to go 3.5x or so with only one player in the pot with position, since we have two players id make it 4-4.5x sized 3b (so 1.5-1.8 or something)

and yes i agree with this also, we dont want to commit ourselves with huge psb otf in 3bps because we cant get away from the hand when we are beat etc. and 1/2 pot accomplishs much of the same things that a psb does for us

I went into Donkey mode and instead of thinking long term profitable play and most +EV I can get, I wanted to either end the hand or get stacks in right there on the flop, since I did see the Straight draw possible.

I have a hard time converting to Micro limits online and bet values cause I play 1/2 Live mostly, and in this situation it would look like $2BB and standard raise to $10-15, I would have come over top for $45-$60 with 2 callers which 9 out of 10 times would get a fold,fold if they were set mining...It seems like in the micro limits on line no matter what you raise people call you pre flop cause "eh its only a dollar" mentality.

I played it bad pre flop? and Post flop?

i know the mentality of which you speak, and its a bigtime leak get your big pot focus under control or it will cost you alot

So as a general rule if Im solid and gonna 3 bet I should re raise 4x5 times the original raise pre flop, this way I know Im playing against a narrow range or a complete ******..

There's a raise and a caller, thats why your 3bet should be bigger.

read micro stickies

your thought process seems really random to me

i.e.
"Flop comes- I put villain on a draw"

Is not the way to think about hands

Also buy in full , if we asume we have an edge we want to be able to play for as much of villains chips as we can.

And as said b4 your 3bet sizing is a little off against any kind of player
get rid of the "i dont want to bet too much because i want to get paid" thinking.
You are laying people proper odds to draw out on your KK postflop. Villain doesnt make a mistake Equitywise with any Ax if he calls pre.

Table max might have been $10, I did buy in at that, just came off a losing hand. Might explaine over valuing my KK at that point.

And perhaps Im doing it wrong, but Pokersove says my KK was 70% to 30% pre fop against AX. How do I figure out the number where I gave him good odds to call? BTW he did not have AX.

Yeah how can you put villain on a draw by only looking at the flop cards?

Eh, cause Im a donkey? LOL...Dunno, didnt see him call any good cards prior, figured he might have hit a piece of the flop and figured him calling my bets with Broadway cards and not a super strong hand since he himself didnt initiate the 3 bet. He did call 2 different raises but showed no aggression...I was in fact correct, I had him CRUSHED pre flop, however the flop really helped him..

Lets see if anyone guesses the outcome?

Popped in to say "Nice Location"

Raise PF at least 1.60......probably 1.75. Being OOP sucks.

1/2-2/3 pot on the flop. Let's say villain has a monster with pocket tens for a flopped top set. If you bet pot, he will 300% just call because he feels you have a strong enough hand to continue on the turn. If you bet 1/2 pot, he may want to minraise back on the flop to build a pot for his monster. The trouble of course is.....can you release at that point.

From villain's perspective, you raising big outta blinds (my sizing, not yours) screams top pair type hands and so when you continue strong....he can play easily...usually with a fold. If you continue with a 1/2 pot bet,,, he still folds a ton....but may get sticky with JJ, or ATs...... By betting pot, you only get the hands that are stronger to continue and fold out the rest. (((Assuming you have been TAGging)))

Plus this quote is pretty good.

jq id say

Nope...

Pocket 3's.....For a set fo 3's...so he went set mining against 2 RAISES!! Am i a donkey for playing this the way I did and assuming he had what he had? Or did he just crack my kings fair and square?

I call your 3bet with 3's alllll daaayy
This is because your 3bet is very small, and I have position.

So I underbet pre and overbet post in other words..KK,AA,AK
"Raise that [censored] up son!!!"

Also In postition your gonna call and if you miss the flop pretty much fold to any Cbet I assume.

So in reality your throwing 6x a blind at the 8% chance you hit your set VS you know I have a hand?

Ok here is a new question:

With BIG pairs do you really want to get called to the flop and just weed out the dangerous trash by 3 betting or raising? Or do you pretty much look to take a pot down pre flop?

Books I have read say that with AA KK you win small pots and loose big ones...That seems to be the gosh darn truth!!!

Villian's point of view: Donkey opens I have 33, easy call in position. If I spike a set there is a good chance I stack him. Oh hey, the SB made a silly 3bet and donkey called. I have great odds to setmine here and I am closing the action. I have to pay 0.55 to win 2.50 dollars. If I can win a measly $1.5 post flop when I hit a set this is a profitable play. Oh look SB fired pot, he almost certainly has a big pair (Villian fist points). I'll just let him keep betting, call the flop. Oh great SB shoved the turn. Fist pump, snap call.

I would have played it just like the Villian. By 3betting so small you gave him awesome odds to set mine. On the flop no need to bomb it, you won't have any problem getting stacks in later with a smaller bet.

in reality KK and AA can easily win big hands but there needs to be a big pot by the time you hit the flop to entice people to get stacks in with single paired hands, read in the stickies about SPR (stack pot ratios) and once you understand that concept you will see that seeing relatively small pots with lots of money behind your opponents the best hands are like set mining hands and scs and stuff that makes big nutted type hands. Whereas with big pairs you dont want to see a flop multiway or with a small pot and alot of money behind because if you do if the money goes all in and you get to SD single pairs are unlikely to win..

This is all very generalized but its pretty intuitive so i suggest you go read up on some of this stuff and it will help your game alot..