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Old 11-04-2011, 11:23 AM   #201
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In my estimation, the message that traheho intended to spread with regard to perky approaches criminal defamation. Criminal defamation is sick business, but it happens all the time on 2p2- there was once a girl who was trashed in a 2p2 thread that later committed suicide.
holy smokes batman now its just a matter of time before perky commits suicide.

dammit 2p2 another victim who didn't need to die.

seriously bro you should slowly back away from the keyboard.
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Old 11-04-2011, 11:27 AM   #202
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ebarnet, I take issue with the end of your post. Going public is often the only recourse one whose been scammed has and it is a pretty major step. In the naivety that is young poker players, a lot of deals are made by word without any sort of proof or binding contract and as such, if a player ends up scammed, he knows there is no chance of successfully elevating this to a legal recourse because he can't win. Knowing that your name is going to be posted all over the internet forever as a theif and a scammer is a pretty significant motivator to settle your debts. See the Nick Reiney (sp) thread where he eventually settled his debts after being outed.

I don't think it is a tool that should never be used, but obviously it should only be used when you are 100% sure someone has stolen from you. It sounds like it is pretty clear that Perky is a theif, and if he is not willing to make it right, his name should be blasted to the world.

My opinion still stands. Perky's name should go public if he won't make good and Alec is owed 235k by Perky and should be sending 150k to the innocent victim that is the backer.
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Old 11-04-2011, 11:30 AM   #203
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Lol @ 'nothing good can come out of this thread'. How about people who read this never lend perky money again or let him play on credit? Or somebody who had given up on collecting their debt now has a higher chance to collect if they give the info to Alec and he takes the necessary measures? What if Alec can't take legal measures? The next best thing is getting the word out in public.

Your 'opinion' of why Alec started this thread is just that and spewing bs about his character based on him making this thread is ridiculous. What a crazy world you must live in where someone can steal $85k and the VICTIM of that loss is now a douche for making it public in a thread.
If someone steals 85k from me, I go to the police. If they live in New York and steal 85k from me I go to the FBI. Since he didn't do that, his character comes into question.

If he can't take legal measures, then what? Unless you're going to break his kneecaps... you could always resort to those measures. My advice, you're SOL brah. If you handle your finances negligently, I don't give one **** about your problems. If you're part of the crowd that lends people 100k with no record and you don't leave yourself an out to reclaim the money, then I'm shaking my head and you're just drawing dead.
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Old 11-04-2011, 11:42 AM   #204
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Unless Perky tells him he is dumping his backers money I can't see how Alec is responsible for paying back 150k. Where do you draw the line? You'll soon have spouses coming here claiming their husband stole that money, lost it and wants it back. It's a slippery slope.

I see guys running to the pit in between hands to play baccarat, BJ etc. and they've been there for 24+hrs straight. Obv degens that need lots and lots of help but am I not supposed to try and win money when I'm in hands with them?

In the end these people are responsible for themselves and we can't be babysitting them or questioning where their money comes from, once it goes across that line and in the middle it's fair game, it doesn't matter if it came from a drug dealer, a porno king, a bank robber, doctor, accountant etc.

Perky's backer also takes some risk and responsibility, yes it sounds bad but if he's "investing" in an unknown outcome he should do his due diligence. It sucks and I don't agree with it but that's the risk of staking.

Of course Perky should be outed for being a scum but seeing as how he's possible heir to loads of money I might sit on him owing me 85k for a long long time. If he spits in my face and tells me he's got it, I won't see a dime of it and he's never going to play me again. I'm not losing anything else and out of spite, I'd out his scummy ass.

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Old 11-04-2011, 11:42 AM   #205
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k brah, so if we have no legal recourse we should let a scumbag steal lots of $ (apparently millions if added up!) from a bunch of poker players and not go public with it so we don't defame their character and they don't get hurt feelings. got your message loud and clear

moving on
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Old 11-04-2011, 11:50 AM   #206
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k brah, so if we have no legal recourse we should let a scumbag steal lots of $ (apparently millions if added up!) from a bunch of poker players and not go public with it so we don't defame their character and they don't get hurt feelings. got your message loud and clear

moving on
That argument doesn't follow from the very first premise...

There is legal recourse against anyone who is stealing millions of dollars. The fact that whiny negligent people hand them money with no conditions should not be the concern of any reasonable people. Where traheho crosses the line is trying to make a list and conspiring to harass the man's family because he knows they're worth millions of dollars and potentially would pay off the list of names.

That's extortion, I believe. I want to warn anybody ITT that if you jump on traheho's bandwagon and turn to organized crime, you could get ****ed very hard.
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Old 11-04-2011, 11:57 AM   #207
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Are you really this dumb? Letting someone play on credit against you might be dumb, but if they don't pay you back it STILL AMOUNTS TO THEFT, and you still have no legal recourse. It's almost like you think that if you can't legally pursue it that changes it and means you haven't been stolen from.

What the **** are you talking about organised crime, lmao. This is not extortion. You are completely out of your mind, please leave the thread.
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Old 11-04-2011, 11:57 AM   #208
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That argument doesn't follow from the very first premise...

There is legal recourse against anyone who is stealing millions of dollars. The fact that whiny negligent people hand them money with no conditions should not be the concern of any reasonable people. Where traheho crosses the line is trying to make a list and conspiring to harass the man's family because he knows they're worth millions of dollars and potentially would pay off the list of names.

That's extortion, I believe. I want to warn anybody ITT that if you jump on traheho's bandwagon and turn to organized crime, you could get ****ed very hard.
dude you're so stupid its making my brain hurt.
seriously people why are you engaging this obv troll.

pretty sure after he tried to blame 2p2 for brandi committing suicide that should have been the last time anyone responded to him.

first he's constantly bashing zj then turning around and complaining that 2p2 bashes people too often/much.

maybe if we ignore him he'll go away.

or maybe if we bash him enough he'll commit honorable but painful hari kari.
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:07 PM   #209
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yea i engage trolls way too much
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:14 PM   #210
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ya i mean i'm guilty of that too, the key is to not engage them in a serious and sincere conversation.
you have to out troll the troll.

its king of the hill trolling, there can only be one.
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:20 PM   #211
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:23 PM   #212
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RBK,

you're usually the stone cold nuts and god-like but chill out on the overzealous ZJ defense.
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:23 PM   #213
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well in this case, you knowingly take a stolen care as the payment.....what do you think happens to the car now?.....ucwidt?
I think we're on the same page here... My point was that even if he didn't know, you still don't get to keep that ish.
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:24 PM   #214
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Traheho,

Did you ask perky how he got the 150k in his account and why he chose that method over just giving you cash or a wire?
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:30 PM   #215
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lol rbk, the the average IQ of this thread's participants definitely took a nosedive when you started posting in it. if you want anyone to care about your posts maybe you should take a break from your degeneracy coma and use the more recently evolved parts of your brain to post something other than ad hominem attacks towards anyone you disagree with.
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:41 PM   #216
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Unless Perky tells him he is dumping his backers money I can't see how Alec is responsible for paying back 150k. Where do you draw the line? You'll soon have spouses coming here claiming their husband stole that money, lost it and wants it back. It's a slippery slope.
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Its not a slippery slope at all. If you sit down at a table and some random loses money to you then its not a problem.

If someone chip dumps a debt to me I'd fully expect a **** storm to surround me and to have my account locked. I'm not saying chip dumping necessarily makes you guilty of anything, but I'd avoid it like the plague because it likely involves you in something you don't want to be involved in.

Not to mention it breaks the TOS regardless. Given how vigilant stars has been and the general attitude of many in this thread I wonder how their stars accounts weren't locked down 24/7.
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:52 PM   #217
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lol rbk, the the average IQ of this thread's participants definitely took a nosedive when you started posting in it. if you want anyone to care about your posts maybe you should take a break from your degeneracy coma and use the more recently evolved parts of your brain to post something other than ad hominem attacks towards anyone you disagree with.
so like i shouldn't respond to this by saying you're stupid?

dammit cuz i really think you're stupid.
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:57 PM   #218
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That argument doesn't follow from the very first premise...

There is legal recourse against anyone who is stealing millions of dollars. The fact that whiny negligent people hand them money with no conditions should not be the concern of any reasonable people. Where traheho crosses the line is trying to make a list and conspiring to harass the man's family because he knows they're worth millions of dollars and potentially would pay off the list of names.

That's extortion, I believe. I want to warn anybody ITT that if you jump on traheho's bandwagon and turn to organized crime, you could get ****ed very hard.
So if you go to the vacation and somehow leave your house door unlocked, it's fine for ghetto people to rob it? If you forget to lock your car, it's fine to steal it?
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:58 PM   #219
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Well since there is almost 220 posts in a thread that should probably have about 50 I will chime in

Viffer seems awfully convinced that OP knew what was going down when the chipdump occurred. I am not sure if he knows the backer who gave Perky the money but I would tend to think that he must be aware of this situation somehow.

I think the backers side of the story is what counts the most here. Whether or not OP knew what was happening is also obv a big deal too.

But like what was mentioned previously the freeze out was played at lower stakes on credit so for all anyone knows the backer was aware, made good on the debt and perky dumped it. That sounds pretty far fetched to me but still a possibility.

Oh and LOL at Epic Poker League ethics committee. I don't know much about them but from what I have heard here on 2p2.... I think that committee might need a committee and that committee should probably have another committee and so on down the line.
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Old 11-04-2011, 02:05 PM   #220
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lol rbk, the the average IQ of this thread's participants definitely took a nosedive when you started posting in it. if you want anyone to care about your posts maybe you should take a break from your degeneracy coma and use the more recently evolved parts of your brain to post something other than ad hominem attacks towards anyone you disagree with.
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Old 11-04-2011, 02:42 PM   #221
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So if you go to the vacation and somehow leave your house door unlocked, it's fine for ghetto people to rob it? If you forget to lock your car, it's fine to steal it?
was this part really necessary?
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Old 11-04-2011, 03:16 PM   #222
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Guys, please stop derailing what should be a pretty damn important issue with bickering over ZJ and who is more intelligent.

It is my opinion Alec owes 150k to the backer and Perky owes 235k to Alec.

It is also my opinion that a website should be created listing all the verified money Perky has stolen from people.
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Old 11-04-2011, 03:41 PM   #223
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Guys, please stop derailing what should be a pretty damn important issue with bickering over ZJ and who is more intelligent.
FFS, this.

Also, if I get another post report because you are butt hurt because someone called you stupid, I'll probably tilt infraction/ban for annoying the mods over something ridiculous.
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Old 11-04-2011, 04:32 PM   #224
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Lol, another drama.

1. How many hands did they play while "chipdumping"?

2. How did they reach an agreement about how to chip dump. Did Trah ask why he didnt want to transfer in the first place?

3. If this situation was showed to you guys without the name mention, would you still have the same opinion?

4. Isn't it weird for someone to vouch for one he believes to be the definition of a scumbag? And then coming to a thread accusing him of not paying money owed...

2+2 drama / witchhunt is really amazing. You should just ask the guy questions you feel are important and let him answer. Draw your conclusions after.
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Old 11-04-2011, 04:37 PM   #225
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I mean I personally believe that Alec knew something shady was happening, but at the end of the day it is not going to matter, because the status quo is that almost everyone in this industry is dishonest while we all simultaneously believe that everyone is very reputable (and don't even punish the offenders) as evidenced by all the scandals that have erupted over the last year or so.
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