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Old 11-02-2011, 05:29 PM   #76
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Re: Perky Debt

Hey Gr8,

I apologize for being blunt earlier. I appreciate your concern for honesty and truth in the poker community. Before we get into it on the forums, would you mind sending me a PM and talking in private? I would be happy to clear up any misunderstandings regarding Perky. Then, if still unsettled, feel free to come here and post your concerns.

Thanks for your time

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Old 11-02-2011, 05:34 PM   #77
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I have nothing to prove, its just sickening knowing that you hustled someone then come here and accuse someone of doing some thing to you. Do you not feel guilty for what you have done?
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Old 11-02-2011, 05:35 PM   #78
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Poker players are some of the most honest and genuine group of people I know. It's a sin for the mistakes of a few to compromise the integrity of the whole. .

If you're going to survive in this field for a long time you need to forget this notion.
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Old 11-02-2011, 05:37 PM   #79
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I once had over 10k stolen from my house by my roommate. To which he denied anything/everything. He told me he was @ home all day except going to walmart for an 1hr. Yeah right.

The day before he moved out I ended up getting 2 dudez from the hood, told them where i lived and when he'd be there. They kicked the ***** out of him, zip tied him up and threw him in his car. They drove out to the woods, destination already had been established, and took him to the woods. He ended up telling them where the $$ was after they threatened to kill him (which was not an option). I gave them half. And he moved out the next day.

Point of the story: I'm not saying you got to go to that extent, but the poker players nowadays are such pu$$ys and let people steal $$ from them and there are no consequences except a bad wrap. WTF
That would get you life in some states. Good thing to post in the internet.
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Old 11-02-2011, 05:44 PM   #80
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Re: Perky Debt

I sent a PM to gr8 to attempt to clarify whatever accusation he made. This was our conversation, which I found amusing:

Hey Bud,

My skype is AlecTorelli.

I would appreciate 5 minutes to help clarify this and put to rest any misunderstandings regarding Perky.

Thanks

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NO misunderstanding, you guys hustled Haley, there is nothing to clarify.


My response:

I'm not sure who Haley is, but I'm sorry that you're not willing to talk about this. This must have been what it was like to be on trial in the 1500's. Someone makes an accusation, you're guilty and then don't get a chance for a rebuttal. No wonder they crucified Jesus...

Gr8, we're both adults. I'm happy to talk to help clarify any doubts that are on your mind, but I'm not one for the childish back and forth banter that exists on 2p2. It is precisely the reason why I have never, and will probably never again post on here.

For the rest of the forum and any other issues, I'm sorry that I stirred the pot. If there anymore urgent questions, I will not be checking this post again, as it is a waste of energy. For urgent concerns, send me an email at alectorelli@gmail.com or contact me on twitter/fb.

Thanks guys,

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Old 11-02-2011, 05:46 PM   #81
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People like Perky are free to sweep through and take the community for millions and leave unscathed, returning to his luxurious New York lifestyle, while many are severely affected
cmon alec,this is just laughable.

you and co took perky for millions,your lives have been severely improved,he owes you 85k yes.
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Old 11-02-2011, 05:49 PM   #82
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alec please post money with dan blitz and we can settle this, we both know what happened but if you want to deny it please make me pay for my false acusations.
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Old 11-02-2011, 06:01 PM   #83
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Where are onepac and viffer, surely they are due an appearance in this thread soon.
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Old 11-02-2011, 06:11 PM   #84
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it's pretty awesome that this guy makes a thread on 2p2 to attack someone, but shortly into the thread, he says 2p2 is terrible and will never post here again bc people are attacking him.
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Old 11-02-2011, 06:18 PM   #85
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I played Perky heads up on FTP on countless occasions, many of which we crossbooked or played smaller stakes (0.25/0.5 cent).

One session, the one in which I'm assuming your referring to, he didn't have enough in his account to play HSP so we agreed to play $50,000 freeze outs. He lost three in a row, totaling $150,000.

A few days later, I got a phone call from him saying that he didn't want to transfer me the money, and would have to chip dump it to me. I realized later that this was a mistake, but being owed such a large sum of money from someone as unreliable and flakey as Perky, I wanted to collect as fast as possible. He played on upwards of five accounts over the course of a year so it didn't seem like anything out of the ordinary for him. I didn't look much into the reasons, but why would I? I beat him out of the money, and just wanted to get paid.

Some time later, I heard something to the extent of he was being backed at the time, meaning he lost someone else's money. I'm assuming this is Haley you are referring to, which now makes sense. I'm sure it was harder for Perky to explain he lost the money in a freezeout than merely playing HSP, which explains his decision at the time.

If I were going to court, I'd admit guilt to chip dumping and "pay" whatever fine should be associated. However, to accuse me of outright cheating because of Perky's deception and negligence with his personal dealings, is wrong.

I just saw your request to escrow money with Blitz, which I will be happy to do. Furthermore, I feel like I have upheld a reputable standing with the poker community since arriving on the scene 8 years ago. I don't appreciate someone unknown to the community who is slandering my name, especially one who won't even discuss it with me when I requested.

Any further questions, please let me know.

Alec

P.S. Gr8, if you are serious about escrowing, please let me know. I just texted Blitz, and have secured the money on my end. Good luck sir.
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Old 11-02-2011, 06:19 PM   #86
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A few days later, I got a phone call from him saying that he didn't want to transfer me the money, and would have to chip dump it to me. I realized later that this was a mistake, but being owed such a large sum of money from someone as unreliable and flakey as Perky, I wanted to collect as fast as possible. He played on upwards of five accounts over the course of a year so it didn't seem like anything out of the ordinary for him. I didn't look much into the reasons, but why would I? I beat him out of the money, and just wanted to get paid.
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Old 11-02-2011, 07:33 PM   #87
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Old 11-02-2011, 07:36 PM   #88
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I played Perky heads up on FTP on countless occasions, many of which we crossbooked or played smaller stakes (0.25/0.5 cent).

One session, the one in which I'm assuming your referring to, he didn't have enough in his account to play HSP so we agreed to play $50,000 freeze outs. He lost three in a row, totaling $150,000.

A few days later, I got a phone call from him saying that he didn't want to transfer me the money, and would have to chip dump it to me. I realized later that this was a mistake, but being owed such a large sum of money from someone as unreliable and flakey as Perky, I wanted to collect as fast as possible. He played on upwards of five accounts over the course of a year so it didn't seem like anything out of the ordinary for him. I didn't look much into the reasons, but why would I? I beat him out of the money, and just wanted to get paid.

Some time later, I heard something to the extent of he was being backed at the time, meaning he lost someone else's money. I'm assuming this is Haley you are referring to, which now makes sense. I'm sure it was harder for Perky to explain he lost the money in a freezeout than merely playing HSP, which explains his decision at the time.

If I were going to court, I'd admit guilt to chip dumping and "pay" whatever fine should be associated. However, to accuse me of outright cheating because of Perky's deception and negligence with his personal dealings, is wrong.

I just saw your request to escrow money with Blitz, which I will be happy to do. Furthermore, I feel like I have upheld a reputable standing with the poker community since arriving on the scene 8 years ago. I don't appreciate someone unknown to the community who is slandering my name, especially one who won't even discuss it with me when I requested.

Any further questions, please let me know.

Alec

P.S. Gr8, if you are serious about escrowing, please let me know. I just texted Blitz, and have secured the money on my end. Good luck sir.

So why did perky have to give you a bet size tell so you knew he was bluffing when he chip dumped to you?

When perky owed you the money an you tried to collect he said he didnt have money to pay, well we see what you are willling to do to colect money you are owed. You knew someone was staking perky when he played you and you didnt care because it was the only way you could collect a debt, it seems like you are willing to do alot of things to collect a debt.

IM not claiming to be mr ethical but you are, why didnt you just ask perky to send you the money instead of having him chip dump to you? If we get coppies of the hands will the bet sizing show when he was bluffing and when he wasnt? Alec please just let me know how much you are willing to lose to keep your lie up?
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Old 11-02-2011, 07:41 PM   #89
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Actually why dont you just agree to give him the money back if i am right? IM sure mr ethical would be willing to do that, IM sure the guy on the ethics commite of the Epl would have no probalem doing that?
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Old 11-02-2011, 07:46 PM   #90
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By way im not some random troll, im a degen gambler, but i hate to see people get taken advantage of. IM sure anyone that knows me will vouch for me not just making stuff up, when i say it it is usually true i have a pretty good track record.
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Old 11-02-2011, 07:57 PM   #91
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Didnt perky pay you back when you and him conned a guy into staking him and then he lost on purpose to you? Or did he steal from you after you guys cheated people? Its funny you are on the ethics for the epl and come here doing this. I guess we shouldnt be suprised from a guy that gets a plate that says TY PERKY for his car.
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So alec, perky didnt have someone stake him on fulltilt poker, play you hu, give you a betting amout tell and lose on purpose to you? Would you care to wager on this?
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So someone dumping someone elses money to you is ethical? Are you deneying this happened? Are you saying that this is made up to discredit your your claim? I will be willing to give Blitz 25-50k and let him decide after i present him the facts. If you are deneying this put your money up please. Your self made claims of being so moral oly aply when it suits you.
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I have nothing to prove, its just sickening knowing that you hustled someone then come here and accuse someone of doing some thing to you. Do you not feel guilty for what you have done?
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By way im not some random troll, im a degen gambler, but i hate to see people get taken advantage of. IM sure anyone that knows me will vouch for me not just making stuff up, when i say it it is usually true i have a pretty good track record.

Things just got real.

gr8, these are some very serious accusations and Alec is pleading ignorance. From a totally random outside observer it seems pretty clear some shady stuff went on but that there is some degree of possibility that Alec was oblivious. That being said, you do sound like you know what you are talking about and I think you should put out all the facts you know that make you so convinced Alec had very bad motives and wasn't just naive and clueless. Your contribution is much appreciated if you back up your accusations as I believe the most complete truth is always in the best interest of the poker community so people don't fall into these situations over and over and to increase the chances that things are made right.
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:02 PM   #92
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50k prop bet yo
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:11 PM   #93
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Pretty sure its "standard" when chip dumping to hide it from the sites. That requires actually playing somewhat normally. Pretty sure thats probably whats happened here.
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:13 PM   #94
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Gr8,

Again, thanks for your input. I agree with insideman, I rather just have everything out there so there is no confusion.

I asked Perky to send me money obviously, but like I said, he said he wanted to chip dump. Him and I had sent money to each other countless times (if we can get the transfer histories, I'll gladly post them), so why on earth would I advocate chip dumping and compromise my reputation and account?

As far as collecting a debt, I think it's pretty strong to say that one wouldn't consider doing this to collect 150,000.

As for the bet sizing, that seems rather obvious right? How else would we chip dump logically? Would you suggest him raising to 144,999 and folding when I shoved for 150,000? Obviously, to avoid getting getting caught, that seemed like the most logical way.

Like I said, I didn't read that much into it and didn't spend time researching the reasons or causes behind Perkys actions. He's renown as a compulsive liar and gambling addict, when he offered to pay me 150,000, thinking that I had the choice between him chip dumping or him possibly dusting it off and me not collecting, I opted for that. After that session, I never did it again and only agreed to play him if he had money in his account because I didn't want to involve myself with his personal dealings.

As for the escrow, I called Blitz and he agreed to do it. Please, if you're going to continue to lambaste me publicly, I'd at least like to make 50,000 in the process, because, as you so eloquently put it, I do like collecting

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Old 11-02-2011, 08:14 PM   #95
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Wow, this changes everything. Poor little perky definitely got taken advantage of. So gross and unethical. Poor perky
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:29 PM   #96
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Gr8,

Again, thanks for your input. I agree with insideman, I rather just have everything out there so there is no confusion.

I asked Perky to send me money obviously, but like I said, he said he wanted to chip dump. Him and I had sent money to each other countless times (if we can get the transfer histories, I'll gladly post them), so why on earth would I advocate chip dumping and compromise my reputation and account?

As far as collecting a debt, I think it's pretty strong to say that one wouldn't consider doing this to collect 150,000.

As for the bet sizing, that seems rather obvious right? How else would we chip dump logically? Would you suggest him raising to 144,999 and folding when I shoved for 150,000? Obviously, to avoid getting getting caught, that seemed like the most logical way.

Like I said, I didn't read that much into it and didn't spend time researching the reasons or causes behind Perkys actions. He's renown as a compulsive liar and gambling addict, when he offered to pay me 150,000, thinking that I had the choice between him chip dumping or him possibly dusting it off and me not collecting, I opted for that. After that session, I never did it again and only agreed to play him if he had money in his account because I didn't want to involve myself with his personal dealings.

As for the escrow, I called Blitz and he agreed to do it. Please, if you're going to continue to lambaste me publicly, I'd at least like to make 50,000 in the process, because, as you so eloquently put it, I do like collecting

Alec
ALec im sure it was a istake and now that you know what happened and since you are such a stand up guy you will have no probalem paying the guy back. I know if i was chip dumping and noone was watching i would just call the guy on the phone and talk about the things, but if i knew he had a backer watcbing then i would have to be creatine and come up with signs. Since this happened before perky owed you this 85k his admission to this wouldnt be biased as he did it long ago also, but im sure that was a mistake also. Its no probalem if you just pay the guy back.

I mean since it was the only way you were going to get paid im sure you didnt know what was happening or any thing. A stand up guy like your self. Its not like you have an ego or any thing, you are so nice that when you won money from dave you even sent him a picture saying TY PERKY.


I talked to dan your money isnt posted, and he said he didnt want to get involved, so just post with rast or roble once it is done i will have mine posted. If im right will you also pay the guy back his money? if not im giving him hat i collect. You could save everyone some time and just see that a mistake was made and pay the guy his money back and this will all go away, thats the right thing to do and a guy that decides the fate of people on the Epic poker league should see that. Wer could have NIk schulman decide, he is a stand up guy and very honorable.




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Old 11-02-2011, 08:39 PM   #97
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Wow, Viffer actually spells pretty good when he wants to.
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:42 PM   #98
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ALec im sure it was a istake and now that you know what happened and since you are such a stand up guy you will have no probalem paying the guy back. I know if i was chip dumping and noone was watching i would just call the guy on the phone and talk about the things, but if i knew he had a backer watcbing then i would have to be creatine and come up with signs. Since this happened before perky owed you this 85k his admission to this wouldnt be biased as he did it long ago also, but im sure that was a mistake also. Its no probalem if you just pay the guy back.

I mean since it was the only way you were going to get paid im sure you didnt know what was happening or any thing. A stand up guy like your self. Its not like you have an ego or any thing, you are so nice that when you won money from dave you even sent him a picture saying TY PERKY.


I talked to dan your money isnt posted, and he said he didnt want to get involved, so just post with rast or roble once it is done i will have mine posted. If im right will you also pay the guy back his money? if not im giving him hat i collect. You could save everyone some time and just see that a mistake was made and pay the guy his money back and this will all go away, thats the right thing to do and a guy that decides the fate of people on the Epic poker league should see that.




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Old 11-02-2011, 08:57 PM   #99
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Tough spot. It sounds like two unrelated situations and I am not sure what Viffer wants exactly. It sounds like Alec wrongfully took 150k as payment in a way that turned out to be the equivalent of stealing. It doesn't matter if he was in on it or not, he should be returning money paid to him in that way. It isn't like he won it fair and square from a fraudulent account from a bad CC or hacked account, because in those instances he assumed risk by playing and won fairly. Here, they cheated and there was someone else who got screwed as a result. Chip dumping can be pretty innocent, but was clearly not in this case if this backing story can be 100% proven. If Alec was clueless, he could be seen as a victim here for sure, but he still shouldn't be entitled to that money. He is entitled to 150k if Perky owes it to him, but it obviously has to be paid to him cleanly.

Viffer, my only confusion here with you is what exactly you want. I mean I know you want your friend to get paid, but having Perky outed as the scammer he seems to be is a good thing for the community, right? You started off here warning Alec to sort of not go there with this whole thing as if you wanted to protect Perky. What happened that night and the fact that Perky has scammed people out of big money are relatively unrelated (or at least the latter goes much deeper than a single incident). BOTH situations should be resolved as fairly and ethically as possible. Perhaps the first 85k Alec would pay back your friend would come from the Perky debt to Alec, but that is neither here nor there. What is your relationship with Perky and are you hoping he doesn't get slammed for what he has done? do you dispute that he has stolen from people? or are you really just concerned with the situation of the backer and didn't mean to imply Perky should be left alone?
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waiting for picture of perky and his dad... epic photoshop potential
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