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Old 12-20-2011, 09:39 PM   #701
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Re: Perky Debt

i let him get some rest and found him the next day wide awake playing a tourny and again had my 50k and asked for his, he just ignored me, maybe hes was tired of loosing wich he is good at?
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Old 12-21-2011, 01:05 AM   #702
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yeah but good luck getting $50k (even if you won the bet) from a guy who has already demonstrated questionable ethics.
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:02 AM   #703
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Id just be happy to see him banned from the epl.
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Old 12-21-2011, 03:14 AM   #704
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I just read the whole thread and I felt like writing a cliff note for all of you, because it is too obvious what happen here and people need to know instead of guessing by reading half or it. Their is also way to much trolling in the middle witch takes aways all the important posts from Viffer...
sorry for my bad english btw


- Alec plays perky and win 150k freezout in a Fair match, gives 75k to Isaac for staking him.
- perky doesnt have money to pay... Alec wants his money!!
- perky finds a way and tells Alec how it is going to work
- perky finds a backer for +150k and rigged a game (no chip dumping)
- Alec keeps 150k and sends back the extra to perky


Alec left the thread in the first pages for vacation, it took way longer to comeback then he said, he even wrote a blog kind of on the subject skipping his role in all of that. Wrote an other blog... Sent Isaac to explain his side hoping for a miracle... But the damn thread would not go away!! So he finally came back and said that he wrote Viffer a PM and he was going to answer allll the questions he had!!! Obv End up skipping all the important ones and again found a reason to disapear like a... guilty person


Like Viffer said it best...
-why would viffer post this when he has clearly nothing to win from loosing his reputation?
-he asked to escrot 50k many times, Alec said yes, then found reasons to delay, then again yes, new reasons, reasons... never put 50k where his mouth was...like he is guilty
-Viffer asked many questions that made Alec change his story and Alec used a really defensive writing style in those post, funny when he was so agressive in his claim for the original 85k and towards perky life !!
-Viffer also asked many IMPORTANT questions that Alec missed obv
-crikets


The only reason I feel viffer didnt make everything public in the first pages and kept some informations is that he wants Alec to admit what he did and that HE KNEW all along and maybe even give back the money !! and also could have being an Ez 50k for Viff.


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Knowing none of the parties involved personally, and not claiming anything is beyond a reasonable doubt, the most logical explanation for this whole mess seems to be to believe Viffer knows what he is talking about. He is also correct in that Alec's responses once the accusations came out were very suspect and his need to suddenly bounce from this thread is significant (he said he was leaving Sunday, so where has he been last two days?).

It makes a lot more sense that Alec, even if not a bad person, engaged in some seriously shady behavior that should result in the innocent being refunded. He probably did honestly do it as a desperation play to get his 150k that was rightfully owed to him, but that doesn't excuse it. It makes a lot less sense that Viffer would suddenly show up in this thread clearly knowing about a lot of stuff that Alec did not deny, but would somehow be lying about the final details that really put the nail in the coffin.

Now I don't know if enough hard evidence will surface to make it clear just how egregious Alec's actions were, but ZJ, you must admit, if you had to bet even money after reading this thread, there is no way in hell you'd bet that Alec was really clueless about what was going on judging from what we know. Not only did he take the funds via a chip dump rather than a transfer (a plausible explanation does exist for this) but he agreed to do it is a very secretive way that would be more akin to a strategy used to cheat at the same FR table than a method to dump HU. Why would you need such a clandestine tell when dumping heads up when you can just talk on the phone or something and just dump how any normal people would likely do it. It just seems so much less likely that Alec didn't know what was going on than that he knew but had somehow justified it to himself with the help of Perky.
Alec not returning to the thread as he PROMISE... y?
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You can see how the laymen would think that this is how a guilty person acts.

An innoncent person would be on here making their case, not halfheartedly answering a few select questions then saying "peace"
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Justin do you really believe Alec didn't know what was going on? Or are you just debating his side to debate it? Can people be so nieve to think Alec is an unfortunate victim here? With the stuff I know that I can't post here I'm convinced alec knew what was going on, that along with his responses and the circumstantial evidence it's a no brainier.
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Completly UNderstandable, IM in vegas if aec would like to post money like he has said in the past, maybe we could have ashman arbitrate since dan blitz didnt want to get involved. I clearly dont think alec owes the money if he didnt have any part in what was going on by the way, thats my thought. Do you think he is smart enough to say hey if i dont do this im not getting paid? Do you think anyone owed 150k would turn down getting paid? In the heat of the moment i might of done the same thing as alec but if i did i wouldnt sit around and try to proclaim im as clean as jesus.

Justin would you tend to believe people know things that others dont? Have you asked your self how i know the things i know? Have you read alecs responces from the beginning, it was like he only made an excuse for what happened after it was brought up but he tried to hide it tell it was, then he never denied it he just tried to mke excuses for it. He never said he was inocent.
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Well we were both there and when alec quit the game 85k winner i tried to post 50k with brian rast or dan blitz. Alec tried to insult everyones brain power and weasle his way out of it with his pathetic excuses.

Alec was the one that suggested we [post the money and was the one that said dan blitz was fine, alec also sugested that he would answer all questions here. Now he kinda disapeared. i saw him today and gave him the chance to post more money wich he declined.

i convinced at least 3 people just by the look on his face and the shiver in his voice when it was brought up at the table.

Plus i kinda hate the fact that hes on the ethics committe and stuff the fact that he would even accept that position is disgusting.
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Alec was at a 200/400 nl game at aria with myself, eddie ting, viffer, robl, and andre. Viffer posted the 50k as alec requested and then Alec refused to post, saying he was tired and couldn't do it. This is pure bull**** as we had 2 arbitrators present that Alec was ok with and Viffer posted his money, I think Alec should lose this by default.
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Can we forget about you paying back and just answer question.

alec paid you 75k, and perky o0wed him 150 i think that adds up to 225k

ok now perkys broke, plays alec is a cash game and dumps the money to him.

But to pay alc perky conned someone into staking him and alec knew this.

perky had a buisnessman watching him play when he palyed alec.

alec was loosing so perky had to give him a betting tell to let him knoiw when he was bluffing.

they didnt dump chips they riged a match.

issac you werent paid with stolen money since you got paid before alec did.

alec conspired to get his money back.

the only reason i keep talking about this is because alec tries to play like hes mr clean, writes blogs.

hes a 2 bit con artist and its even more proven by annie duke putting him on the ethics committe
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When placng a bet or trying to slam someone i wouldnt ask a question that i didnt know the answer to. Probally the reason he never answered the questions, and declined to post the money when me and blitz both asked him to do wich he agreeed to do before he found out it was me trying to make the bet.


he has offered to answer questions then declined, he asked a friend to make a statement about what happened a person who i trust and like, when i asked that friend 3 questions he forgot to answer them.

isa may be unedumacated but mommo tell me no ask questions unless you know the answer, momma pretty smart so i listen to that part.


if i was in the epl i would never want or allow him to judge me.
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I spend more time in nyc then most and plauy with these people alot, also alec has offered to post money about this, and on top of this i have said alot. Anyone that can translate my writing will find it.

and next time im drunk i might.

alec beats perky

perky cant pay alec


perky alec come up with deal where alec takes a chip dump by way alec how much did perky dump to you and what was done with the extra? And did you transfer perky any money after the chip dump

alec couldnt beat perky and perky had someone watching him play not a great player but a recreational player. Perky and alec conspired to come with a betting tell so alec could win,

alec has offered to answer questions about all of this and has also has offered to post money as a bet to weather i am write or wrong. neither has happened.

The odds he didn't do it are $5 : $50,000 !!
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I'll bet you five dollars Alec didn't know he was robbing Perky's backer.
(i know what you meant )
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Old 12-21-2011, 04:39 AM   #705
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^cliffs of cliffs please
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Old 12-21-2011, 05:46 AM   #706
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skip the quoted txt

Oh and one question nobody seem to have asked, even if I don't think we'll get an answer_lol : How many hands or hours did they play in that 'chip dumping' match?
Because even if perky requested it that way, I'm sure both side wouldn't want to play a long HU only to dump chip 'that way'. If they're ONLY looking to chip dump safely, they will take some hands for sure, but nothing that looks like a real HU from an observer point of view !! Unless...
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:26 AM   #707
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Re: Perky Debt

wow just read through most of this miserable thread. Recap:

Ebarnet is a Megatard
The back and forth between him in the riverboatking is extremely amusing
BASaint, I hope that your avatar is not actually you in real life for your sake
Alec's friends showing up to post for him blew up in his face
Alec's failure to return is sketchy at best
Admission of chip dumping online to settle debt
People want him taking off the Epic Fail Poker League ethics committee or whatever (as if the EPL is legit to begin with)
High Stakes hero's posting in a not so epic thread
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:41 AM   #708
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^^ I hope your avatar is not actually you in real life for your sake.
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:43 AM   #709
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At this point in time is Alec Torelli considered a scumbag? I have some impressions of him that make me think less of him (both irl). But I wasn't sure whether to consider him a well deserved respected pro or someone that wasnt that great and was just running hot. More I think about it, the more he fits the second category.


What is he up to now? Scamming poker players....
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Old 12-21-2011, 12:00 PM   #710
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Don't know about scumbag but the thread must be getting close to 2p2's very own adaptation of Godwin's Law:

"As a 2p2 discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the accused and a psychopath approaches 1."
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Old 12-21-2011, 12:48 PM   #711
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WOW

Cheating In Poker

Evan among the "Legit" Players

SHOCKING!

Doyle did it.

Get real.
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Old 12-21-2011, 01:34 PM   #712
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^ yeah no ****. Although, jfc, how SCUMMMMMY is the Epic poker league! The name itself is just the gayest name one could ever imagine and the fact that annie duke and this crook are part of the admin, gawwwwd, boycott epic poker league for its name and its board/staff
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Old 12-21-2011, 04:38 PM   #713
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^ yeah no ****. Although, jfc, how SCUMMMMMY is the Epic poker league! The name itself is just the gayest name one could ever imagine
ugh why is homophobia so standard. not blaming you but with how many readers this forum gets it's worth calling out once in a while.
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:06 PM   #714
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^^ I hope your avatar is not actually you in real life for your sake.
i lol'd but the thing is, some days sadly, i sort of wish it was!
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Old 12-22-2011, 08:05 AM   #715
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Yeah EPL seems to be just a major joke. Concept was that to begin with. Imagine if the NBA had an ethics league. The staking issue should have become clearer at this point. Viff might know who staked him? Not sure I recall Viff ever staking anyone before so not sure how knowledgable he is about protocol.

One thing seems pretty sure. Alec doesnt want to give any actual information and was called out on the 50k
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Old 12-22-2011, 05:16 PM   #716
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"No wonder they crucified Jesus." - Alec Torelli
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Old 12-22-2011, 08:31 PM   #717
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You know what I don't understand? People are trashing Alec Torelli for not answering questions...but it seem like every other post someone is asking Viffer to post the info about the backer. But he ignores it. THAT'S BECAUSE HE DON'T KNOW S***! What a tool. He is speculating. Torelli did state that he didn't know he was backed! How many times does he have to post it?
So according to you Einstein, why did traheho back out from the 50 k prop bet? Viffer even tried to make it when they met in person and traheho came up with some lame excuse saying he was too tired!?? and turned it down.

Who the hell would turn down an easy 50 K prob pet win and at the same time save his rep if he had nothing to hide?

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Old 12-23-2011, 08:44 AM   #718
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WWATD?
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Old 12-23-2011, 07:54 PM   #719
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Traheho took a hike again. He was supposed to answer questions from viffer on radio quadjacks but ran away without answering any. hmmm I wonder why?

lol at the people who are too stupid to understand that he is full of ****!

Once again he tried a bluff and got caught.
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Old 12-23-2011, 10:46 PM   #720
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Lots of similarities between this thread and the UCARE charity thread in NVG:
- Perp gets accused, denies wrongdoing
- People poke holes in his story
- Perp apologizes for being so self-righteous in his first responses, maintains innocence
- More info comes out
- He says he's done with the thread
- His freinds come to defend him, say they don't have all the facts, but they know the perp's a good guy
- Friends get shot down and disappear from the thread
- More info comes out
- No smoking gun found, but the evidence is overwhelming
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Old 12-24-2011, 02:54 AM   #721
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"No wonder they crucified Jesus." - Alec Torelli
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Old 12-24-2011, 11:55 PM   #722
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the only reason i did show is because alec agreed toanswer some of my questions, well some how he lost internet conection when i got on air i guess you be the judge?



Alec podcast http://www.quadjacks.com/2011/12/24/...ember-23-2011/
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Viffer http://www.quadjacks.com/2011/12/24/...ember-23-2011/


i feel like alec owes me 50k and ashman 130k plus who ever else he scammed.
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Old 12-25-2011, 02:11 AM   #723
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Ashman 130k. How did he scam Ashman?
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Old 12-25-2011, 03:29 AM   #724
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Ashman 130k. How did he scam Ashman?
Nvm just read it in NVG.
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Old 12-25-2011, 03:39 AM   #725
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the only reason i did show is because alec agreed toanswer some of my questions, well some how he lost internet conection when i got on air i guess you be the judge?



Alec podcast http://www.quadjacks.com/2011/12/24/...ember-23-2011/
10:48 PM
Viffer http://www.quadjacks.com/2011/12/24/...ember-23-2011/


i feel like alec owes me 50k and ashman 130k plus who ever else he scammed.
He sure owe u 50 k cause he agreed to do the prop bet.
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