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Old 11-27-2011, 12:31 AM   #576
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This adds nothing.

You watched the freeze outs which aren't in dispute. Also, if he sent you money instantly like you say, then it wasn't with Perky's cash because Alec already said in this thread Perky chip dumped the 150k days after the freeze outs occurred.

The fact that he'd ask his friend to come to his defense rather than doing it himself speaks volumes.
Sorry if I didn't add anything, the truth is I really don't know a lot about what went on, Alec asked me to post what happened from my point of view, as he felt that he would clear some things up on the matter, if it did not then oh well.
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:49 AM   #577
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Alec what was your reasoning for dragging isaac into this? His involvement is clearly irrelevant to the fact that you knowingly and admittedly chipdumped a very large sum of money with the details suggesting very shady/scummy behavior on both you and perky's part.

Isaac, how do you feel about a chipdumper(whether he was knowingly stealing or not) being part of the ethics committee for the lol epic poker league?
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:57 AM   #578
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I know nothing about the chip dumping, this is the first i have heard anything about it. I watched the freezeout match when they played .25/.50 and that is it. I'm confused about why he would be out 225k? Obviously I would feel badly if Alec paid me with stolen money, to be honest I don't know what I would do if I found out, it is a very tough spot in that I don't want to be a part of a conspiracy to rob someone out of tons of money but I also don't want to get reverse freerolled. If Alec and Perky conspired to steal someone's money I think that is terrible, I have no knowledge of their dealings other than that Alec asked me to take half of his action in some freezeouts, won and then paid me very promptly, I haven't read much of this thread to be honest so I'm not even entirely sure the details of the accusations against Alec, he just asked me to post my knowledge of what happened which is what I did.
Can we forget about you paying back and just answer question.

alec paid you 75k, and perky o0wed him 150 i think that adds up to 225k

ok now perkys broke, plays alec is a cash game and dumps the money to him.

But to pay alc perky conned someone into staking him and alec knew this.

perky had a buisnessman watching him play when he palyed alec.

alec was loosing so perky had to give him a betting tell to let him knoiw when he was bluffing.

they didnt dump chips they riged a match.

issac you werent paid with stolen money since you got paid before alec did.

alec conspired to get his money back.

the only reason i keep talking about this is because alec tries to play like hes mr clean, writes blogs.

hes a 2 bit con artist and its even more proven by annie duke putting him on the ethics committe
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:59 AM   #579
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I know nothing about the chip dumping, this is the first i have heard anything about it. I watched the freezeout match when they played .25/.50 and that is it. I'm confused about why he would be out 225k? Obviously I would feel badly if Alec paid me with stolen money, to be honest I don't know what I would do if I found out, it is a very tough spot in that I don't want to be a part of a conspiracy to rob someone out of tons of money but I also don't want to get reverse freerolled. If Alec and Perky conspired to steal someone's money I think that is terrible, I have no knowledge of their dealings other than that Alec asked me to take half of his action in some freezeouts, won and then paid me very promptly, I haven't read much of this thread to be honest so I'm not even entirely sure the details of the accusations against Alec, he just asked me to post my knowledge of what happened which is what I did.
please answer my questions. just asking you as soeone whos opion i respect to use there common sence. you put your self in this so please give opion.
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Old 11-27-2011, 02:18 AM   #580
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Don't know who Mark is. .
you def knew what Viffer says you knew but this is ******* great
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Old 11-27-2011, 03:45 AM   #581
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you def knew what Viffer says you knew but this is ******* great
I got Mark's name wrong. It's Dave, hence the misunderstanding.
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Old 11-27-2011, 03:50 AM   #582
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Viffer, why would I send Isaac money before I settled with Perky since his share is contingent on me getting paid?

If Perky stiffs me, I wouldn't owe 75,000 to Isaac. There's no way Perky ever owes me 225,000 in this scenario.
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Old 11-27-2011, 03:59 AM   #583
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Viffer, why would I send Isaac money before I settled with Perky since his share is contingent on me getting paid?

If Perky stiffs me, I wouldn't owe 75,000 to Isaac. There's no way Perky ever owes me 225,000 in this scenario.
Perky would not owe you no. But you would be out 75k if you didn't get paid by Perky and his backer that you both robbed.

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Old 11-27-2011, 04:01 AM   #584
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And your last post doesn't matter one bit in the grand scheme of things. Are you really that dumb or are you just dodging what is important when questions arise?
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Old 11-27-2011, 04:07 AM   #585
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I don't remember dates of when I sent money vs. when I got paid. I will post transfer history of FTP if it becomes available.

In the event I did pay Isaac before Perky paid me, he would have returned the 75,000 paid him if Perky stiffed me, so it would be moot.
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Old 11-27-2011, 04:09 AM   #586
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And your last post doesn't matter one bit in the grand scheme of things. Are you really that dumb or are you just dodging what is important when questions arise?
What questions have I dodged?
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Old 11-27-2011, 04:51 AM   #587
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What questions have I dodged?
Pretty much every single relevant one that Viffer asked.

What was your goal of having Isaac come in here for? That was pretty much a backfire for you, no?

Answer this then. What do you feel like you deserve right now from this whole debacle? What would make it right? If Perky dumped chips to you from a business man's money would you do your part to make it right for that "Mark."
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Old 11-27-2011, 04:56 AM   #588
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[QUOTE=mrdasefx;30050085]Pretty much every single relevant one that Viffer asked.

That's not a question.
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Old 11-27-2011, 05:04 AM   #589
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Pretty much every single relevant one that Viffer asked.

That's not a question.
cute. you can deny this and it will all go away

But to pay alc perky conned someone into staking him and alec knew this.

perky had a buisnessman watching him play when he palyed alec.

alec was loosing so perky had to give him a betting tell to let him knoiw when he was bluffing.

they didnt dump chips they riged a match.
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Old 11-27-2011, 05:05 AM   #590
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I'm such a noob I can't even quote on here.

I don't feel like I deserve anything. I wasn't aware of how stressful an accusation like this could be to my life and how much mental energy and time it consumed. I just want to go back to my life, where I get up, workout, write everyday and take more deep breaths.

In fact, I'm going to that. Starting now.
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Old 11-27-2011, 05:07 AM   #591
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I have a question:

Given that you were paid with stolen funds, are you considering returning them to the rightful owner?
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Old 11-27-2011, 05:11 AM   #592
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epic poker league folks. shut it off when you see it.
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Old 11-27-2011, 05:13 AM   #593
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I'm such a noob I can't even quote on here.

I don't feel like I deserve anything. I wasn't aware of how stressful an accusation like this could be to my life and how much mental energy and time it consumed. I just want to go back to my life, where I get up, workout, write everyday and take more deep breaths.

In fact, I'm going to that. Starting now.

You can see how the laymen would think that this is how a guilty person acts.

An innoncent person would be on here making their case, not halfheartedly answering a few select questions then saying "peace"
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Old 11-27-2011, 05:16 AM   #594
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Is chipdumping ethical? Do you think someone on either end should be on an ethics committee?
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Old 11-27-2011, 05:32 AM   #595
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I'm such a noob I can't even quote on here.

I don't feel like I deserve anything. I wasn't aware of how stressful an accusation like this could be to my life and how much mental energy and time it consumed. I just want to go back to my life, where I get up, workout, write everyday and take more deep breaths.

In fact, I'm going to that. Starting now.
Only stressful if you feel guilty about something. If you had no knowledge about stealing that poor bastards money then why not escrow money per Viff's request?
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Old 11-27-2011, 06:54 AM   #596
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it looks fairly obvious from where im standing that alec knew he was getting paid with stolen money by way of a dump and isnt prepared to admit it/pay the business man back, alec needs to resign from the ethics committee and perky is due the staker 150k
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Old 11-27-2011, 09:24 AM   #597
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If Perky stiffs me, I wouldn't owe 75,000 to Isaac
just wondering if this is std or you guys agreed to it when the backing occured?
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Old 11-27-2011, 11:33 AM   #598
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jeez,leave the guy alone....he has basically said he ****ed up every which way and is guilty. You don't even have to read between the lines to see that. And Alec, that was another great one "I got Mark's name wrong" LOL ....you Mark *** aggin lol.
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:03 PM   #599
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Viffer, why would I send Isaac money before I settled with Perky since his share is contingent on me getting paid?

If Perky stiffs me, I wouldn't owe 75,000 to Isaac. There's no way Perky ever owes me 225,000 in this scenario.
you say you have no idea how stressfull this could be and you are a winning player, or think you are any ways. what kind of stress do you think you were goinhg to cause perky.

you have dodged every question i have asked, or answered it with a question. the funny thing is i know the answers before i ask them.
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Old 11-27-2011, 01:19 PM   #600
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Viffer do you think you can get any evidence or at least get other people who know/suspect the same things to post? If so can you just do that because alec is clearly just dodging questions and I highly doubt he's going to just come out and admit anything. I really can't see anything meaningful happening in this thread unless new information is bought to light.
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