im facing a shove and stove his range to figure out if a call would be +ev or -ev.

it can never be accurate because were just asuming.

example:
if i give him the range of all hands he could shove here (refering to his stats), it would be a +ev call.

but maybe he just shoves some hands if hes up for that session or if he has his lovely ace of spades, or if he has history with me or just get a bad beat on another table...

and do we know if he knows our stack off range?
if yes, his shove range would maybe only 50%, which made this a massive -ev call for us.

how do i have to handle this while stoving difficult hands im unsure about how to play?

and how do i handle while playing vs an unknown?

pics or gtfo

take up golf, IMO

That's the tough part about poker, assigning proper ranges. Stove can help you a lot, but it cannot do all things. If you are good at ascribing ranges, Stove is outstanding for determining your EV in many situations, but if your ranging is off, Stove too will be off. I look at Stove as a guide in difficult spots, and I usually use it to review after my session, not as much as an in-session decision making tool.

As far as others knowing your stack off range, well, at the micros most players won't even know what that means, nor would they care if they did. Playing versus unknowns obviously makes assigning ranges more difficult. My general approach is to be conservative, especially against full-stacked unknowns, until I get more information. There's no magic formula in poker, you just have to make your best decision in each situation.

i cant belief that so incredible funny guys still play the micros...

thanks for ur advice jlee, acting conversative is what i do.
but i thought there could be a lot more to discuss about this issue in a forum where people call a shove with top pair versus unknown because they got a positive equity from stoving a quickly created range, post this hand here and hope for a advice if they played the hand well or not because they didnt know it.
but its a lot easier to make a stupid comment when you have nothing relevant to say

Wat?

OP: How do I play poker?

Everyone else: facepalm.jpg

You will get much better answer if you are just post hands here where you are in doubt o your play.

It is really hard to answer this general questions.

And if you use your HUD the right way, you can assume ranges most of the times.

But we are talking about Poker which is a game of incomplete informations. Otherwise this game we all love would no exist.

Hand reading will take lots of practice and study. I doubt you can learn this from a single question, which is why you are getting the slack. I would recommend reading all the stickies, invest in PT, and then try putting a villain on a range before you make a decision. Remember: Poker is a journey; not a destination.

OP - you are dealing with an information deprived environment.
You can make inferences about table dynamics and villians tendencies/current state of mind all the time.
These should only hold a decisive influence over your equity decision if and only if these expected value (EV) of any two decisions are roughly equally in value.

You should be able to make good operating assumptions about ranges of villians because the categorisation process of villians into archetypes is actually a very well and thoroughly defined area of poker. The reason is that most humans react in a habitual manner and there are only a few different ways variations appear.
What that results in is - that we can make quite accurate guessitmates on villians holding ranges based upon small samples of previous specific examples from the foundation of a large, deep and well discussed collective memory.

Ultmately the most important indication of a villians range will be the size and frequency of betting.
If you want any one indicator of villians holding - betting will trump all other indicators.

GL @ the tables.

Fold Pre. you're level is teh suq.