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Overbetting the overbet on a tied board Overbetting the overbet on a tied board

04-23-2024 , 12:51 AM
PokerStars - $1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 112.13 BB
Hero (BTN): 102.1 BB
SB: 127.37 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K J

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) A K A
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (5.5 BB, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (5.5 BB, 2 players) A
BB bets 20 BB, Hero raises to 99.6 BB and is all-in

On the river as long as he has an ace less than 20% of the time and doesn't call the chop, I'm making a profit. Opponent was a solid reg and I expect him to bet an ace on the turn frequently. I also suspect him to do a lot of overbet bluffs on these chopped boards to take them down. BB vs BU is going to have a lot of hands calling preflop and getting to this river. This might be the coolest hand of poker I've ever played.

Thoughts?
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04-23-2024 , 10:41 PM
This is a really interesting hand and it's hurting my brain thinks about it; it's not a node I would ever get to as I would play range bet on the flop. I think river will probably be over bluffed. If villain is a solid reg then we should expect him to get here with some Ax wether he has 20% or not I am unsure.



Thought I would look it up and river play by BB in gto wizard is gangsta as **** never seen anything like this before basically range betting 1773% pot haha
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04-24-2024 , 03:23 AM
Pretty mental.

Not sure we get called enough OTR to jam for value though
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04-24-2024 , 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Ceres
Pretty mental.

Not sure we get called enough OTR to jam for value though
We are not jamming for value; we play the board, we are trying to bluff him off a chop
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04-24-2024 , 04:48 AM
Edit: no I'm wrong. BB should indeed fold Kx

Last edited by Ceres; 04-24-2024 at 05:03 AM.
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04-24-2024 , 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Ceres
Edit: no I'm wrong. BB should indeed fold Kx
Kx might be his best bluff catcher as it blocks kk but even that will be indifferent, and he obviously calls all Ax
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04-24-2024 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DSA Stephen
Thought I would look it up and river play by BB in gto wizard is gangsta as **** never seen anything like this before basically range betting 1773% pot haha
I don't have the same results.

BB bet only 20% of the time and overbet 400% is the only sizing used.



After which BTN never calls but fold or raise allin.



And after the all-in raise, BB calls some more of his bluffs in the hope of sharing the pot.



In practice I wonder if raising 50bb instead of all-in doesn't give us a better risk/reward, I don't know to what extent this restricts our FE on its bluffs.

Do our Ax necessarily want to go all-in when we know that BB never has better than the board and that he will most likely fold?

Then the spot is so marginal that it will be difficult to interpret anything real about our raise sizing...
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04-25-2024 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DSA Stephen
This is a really interesting hand and it's hurting my brain thinks about it; it's not a node I would ever get to as I would play range bet on the flop. I think river will probably be over bluffed. If villain is a solid reg then we should expect him to get here with some Ax wether he has 20% or not I am unsure.



Thought I would look it up and river play by BB in gto wizard is gangsta as **** never seen anything like this before basically range betting 1773% pot haha
That was my line of thinking. Not sure if he has 20% Ax, I think it was less so I did go for it. Felt amazing getting the fold. I've romanticized about a scenario where I could overbet bluff and overbet on a chopped board and I finally got the opportunity and seized it.


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Originally Posted by Ceres
Pretty mental.

Not sure we get called enough OTR to jam for value though
That's probably a good thing since we're bluffing here.

Interesting that you guys got different results from the solver. I would guess that most players would be imbalanced in this spot. Normally I do range bet this flop, but decided to check back because I felt like my opponent would be probe-bet-happy. I am a fan of his river line overall. In the same scenario I would massively overbet bluff that spot because it gets a lot of folds. Facing the jam, I would pretty much always fold. With an ace on the river, I think he does have some incentive to check back trying to induce a bluff so that reduces more Ax combos from his handin practice.
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04-26-2024 , 07:28 AM
I have done similar things at micros but never pulled it off at 100nl or 200nl always just get snapped but well played and nice to get it through
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