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11-30-2021 , 10:54 PM

newguyhere

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I assumed the 4 pairing was better than the 5 or 7, and turn is probably a check. But oh well.

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NL Holdem 0.10(BB)
HERO ($11.61) [VPIP: 22.3% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 31.2% | Flop Agg: 32.4% | Turn Agg: 36.3% | River Agg: 30.9% | 3-Bet: 7.4% | 4-Bet: 15.8% | Hands: 169972]
SB ($14.49) [VPIP: 15% | PFR: 10% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 20]
BB ($10.78) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 16% | AGG: 28.6% | Flop Agg: 42.9% | Turn Agg: 25% | River Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 14.3% | Hands: 25]
UTG ($11.04) [VPIP: 61.8% | PFR: 14.5% | AGG: 22.4% | Hands: 59]
HJ ($4.95) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 13% | AGG: 25% | Hands: 55]
CO ($10.93) [VPIP: 14.3% | PFR: 14.3% | AGG: 66.7% | Hands: 7]

Dealt to Hero: J

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.30, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.20

Hero SPR on Flop: [16.12 effective]
Flop ($0.65): 4

BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.20 (Rem. Stack: $11.11), BB Calls $0.20 (Rem. Stack: $10.28)

Turn ($1.05): 4

BB Checks, HERO Bets $1.25 (Rem. Stack: $9.86), BB Calls $1.25 (Rem. Stack: $9.03)

River ($3.55): 4

BB Checks, HERO Bets $5.07

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11-30-2021 , 11:16 PM

submersible

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turn looks really loose to me on a not great card to be loose on. u gotta be careful because one of the bigger ev errors u can make is betting big with hands that arent appropriate to bet big with. river i is mandatory but i think the turn is pretty loose without a diamond for this size.

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11-30-2021 , 11:21 PM

aner0

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turn is whatever, but on river he has soooooo many 6x this sizing doesnt make sense without blocking 6x at all

EDIT: misread the board lol.
yeah its not bad, its whatever

Last edited by aner0; 11-30-2021 at 11:50 PM.

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11-30-2021 , 11:23 PM

browni3141

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Originally Posted by aner0

turn is whatever, but on river he has soooooo many 6x this sizing doesnt make sense without blocking 6x at all

6x is air though.

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11-30-2021 , 11:28 PM

submersible

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there isnt really a size we're using otr though except pot / slight overbet. 1.5 is probably a shade too big but no real option but to bluff. i do think turn is pretty big error if you're not randomizing (deciding to run massive bluffs with effectively no outs on cards that your opponents pick up equity on is usually a bad idea)

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11-30-2021 , 11:49 PM

aner0

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Originally Posted by browni3141

6x is air though.

lmao i completely misread the board

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11-30-2021 , 11:50 PM

BigBananas

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Looks a bit ridiculous.

3x, 6x, 8x and 9x are my bluffs. Would throw jto into bxb line.

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11-30-2021 , 11:54 PM

aner0

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Originally Posted by BigBananas

Looks a bit ridiculous.

3x, 6x, 8x and 9x are my bluffs. Would throw jto into bxb line.

this is actually better than 6x, 8x, 9x on river. On turn it's bottom of the barrel and idk if GTO would do it at any or low freq, but probably fine.

On river you don't really love having straight blockers because you're blocking every single busted pair+sd which is the majority of the folding range

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12-01-2021 , 01:32 AM

SmbSmbSmb

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i would personally be shocked if this turn bet is solver-approved. but i don't know **** about ****.

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12-01-2021 , 02:36 AM

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BigBananas

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Originally Posted by SmbSmbSmb

i would personally be shocked if this turn bet is solver-approved. but i don't know **** about ****.

its bet like 15% freq w/out diamond. with diamond like 100% or so.

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12-01-2021 , 02:40 AM

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SmbSmbSmb

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basically pure with diamond also surprises me tbh.

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12-01-2021 , 08:27 AM

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ZKesic

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I don't like any street.

Preflop 3x seems too big vs nits, flop and turn I'd always check and river I'd prefer 3/4 with your blockers.

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12-01-2021 , 01:29 PM

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keuwai

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Personally I would play 2 sizes on this turn, BB is floating a ton of overcards on the flop which makes our 7x/88 quite inclined to bet for protection. In practice it would be even more effective because no one at these stakes is checkraising enough vs a small turn bet.

So if you’re doing the same you can put this hand in the small bet range, and put hands that have better equity/blocking effects in the big bet.

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12-01-2021 , 03:33 PM

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submersible

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Originally Posted by SmbSmbSmb

i would personally be shocked if this turn bet is solver-approved. but i don't know **** about ****.

it isn't. i can get it to mix the turn but almost never with a big size with this combo. even with a d its still fairly inrequent. kaeuwai mostly nailed it with what he said
also we 3xed in high rake environment so bb should be tighter than my sim indicates

Last edited by submersible; 12-01-2021 at 03:53 PM.

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12-01-2021 , 06:03 PM

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FreakDaddy

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With the turn diamond, I'm ok with the bet, it makes sense w/ the rest of your range. Non Diamond, I'm checking through near 100%.

I think river vs. a ikely nit here (small sample) I'd be giving up. If they called flop bet and turn overbet, I don't think you're getting a fold vs 7x, and 5x is probably a call a reasonable amount of the time. I'm not worried about balancing my over bet bluffs vs someone I have 25 hands on.

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12-02-2021 , 11:50 AM

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newguyhere

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I just checked results.

He folded Ah2c

What do we think of his turn call? I think it's horrible, but I haven't done a lick of study in regards to how to defend vs turn overbets.

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12-02-2021 , 08:35 PM

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keuwai

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Originally Posted by newguyhere

I just checked results.

He folded Ah2c

What do we think of his turn call? I think it's horrible, but I haven't done a lick of study in regards to how to defend vs turn overbets.

Horrible, but probably not as bad as it looks lol. IIRC A5 mixes calls on Q427 vs turn overbet. A high has a lot of showdown value on this type of texture, so BTN shouldn’t be bluffing with many better hands.

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