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03-17-2016 , 10:18 AM
Just in case anyone would think I am a bot, I am not.
Thanks.
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03-17-2016 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by GensuruBomba
Just in case anyone would think I am a bot, I am not.
Thanks.
Defenitely something a bot would say
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03-17-2016 , 10:36 AM
Just an "old" online poker pro who is trying to make a comeback would say the same thing imo.
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03-17-2016 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by pontylad
Pretty sure he used to bumhunt high stakes hu. I actually agree with the latter of your post too. Am not sure whether the changes to RB have just significantly altered the zoom pool regs at 200 but my impression now is that, while there are still some v v good 200 zoom regs, the average 200 zoom reg is abysmal.

There always used to be debates on which format had the toughest regs but I really don't think that there is a debate to be had now.
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Originally Posted by valee
i remember those debates, always ended with people saying that reg tables regs are better than zoom regs in general but that zoom was tougher than reg tables.

but i mean is the average 200nl reg tables reg that good..? those who also play 400/600, probably. but i dont see that many crushers at 200nl reg tables. average 200z reg do suck but i dont know that the difference is that big.

also i was gonna post about prog*ameeer at some point. new on stars with 55wwsf at 200 no biggie.
Interesting. Then presumably, if the average reg sucks, you should be crushing 200nl zoom for at least 5bb/100?
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03-17-2016 , 11:27 AM
zoom200 is rakefree?
good to know
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03-17-2016 , 12:12 PM
^ I assume that was in reference to my post?
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03-17-2016 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
Interesting. Then presumably, if the average reg sucks, you should be crushing 200nl zoom for at least 5bb/100?
maybe i was saying they suck compared to a good midstake reg, not to me particularly. btw should i state the obvious? lets say 110 entries are regs, 70% of them being bad/mediocre, and 7 entries are passive fishes with 27 vpip.. should i still be beating it for 5bb/100 considering the rake?

yes the 200z pool is not exactly like that but i think you'll get my point.

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03-17-2016 , 01:08 PM
So essentially what you're saying is: the average reg at 200z is not particularly good, but they're not bad enough to profit from after you take the rake into account.

If you can't beat them post-rake, they can't be that bad.
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03-17-2016 , 01:16 PM
i understand you'r probably trolling but i'll answer anyway.. no they'r not that bad obvsly. i would say that 99% of people who play poker are bad compared to a solid midstake reg. therefore me saying they suck compared to good regs =\= 200z average reg is a clueless **** who cant beat 2nl.
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03-17-2016 , 01:23 PM
Not trolling, I was genuinely wondering why people were saying the average 200z reg is bad, when it's very difficult to profit after rake vs them. To me, that is not the definition of a bad player.

But you clarified it by saying bad in relation to a midstakes reg, so now I understand.
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03-17-2016 , 01:24 PM
I believe 200z regulars, those who are 4 tabling anyway, are not bad on average. There are a few who have obvious leaks and many who are not exploiting the game as much as they should. And then there are some who are maybe too much into outplaying other regulars.

I think a winning mid stake regular would crush (if you call 5bb/100 that) 200z just fine, as I do.
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03-17-2016 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
^ I assume that was in reference to my post?
sherlock.
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03-17-2016 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by cashy
sherlock.
Have we really got to the point where bad players cannot be beaten post-rake?
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03-17-2016 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by woolly
Spoiler:
[ ] have lifetime corvette payments




judging by your six-high non-equity floats against a friend, you.
From what I remember you weren't even at the table when the hand was played(If I am thinking of the same hand).

Usually I have conversations about sports, women, news,etc with my friends, while you have conversations about me(and likely Tim too) with your friends.
That is creepy.

I hope you don't also have (wet) dreams about me or think about me when you're in bed with your (imaginary?) gf.
That would be seriously messed up.
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03-17-2016 , 04:43 PM
every time i see a reg folding ip to a min3bet from 25%3bet fish, reg is somehow from east europe.
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03-17-2016 , 05:15 PM
lets update godmoder top 5 list

1. skiby_kolo absolute #1 never won a pot vs him with top of range in 2 years
2. ishter11 dude I hate the most
3. ???
4. ???
5. ???

I just hate #1 and #2 after all
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03-17-2016 , 05:21 PM
most predictable regs

- notankyou?

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for some reason can't win a pot vs good regs , hmmmm


you and skiby_kolo are the N1 cry babies, jesus
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03-17-2016 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by valee
every time i see a reg folding ip to a min3bet from 25%3bet fish, reg is somehow from east europe.
ye this stuff happens way too often to be a coincidence. also most regs who raise vs 30% pot bets in 3bet pots or whatever in spots where they are capped and should have 0 raising range are also from russia/ukraine for some reason (in zoom). Prolly should try out some weird betsizing vs suspected bots and see how they react.
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03-17-2016 , 07:21 PM
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Defenitely something a bot would say
definitely something a russian pretending not to be a bot would say
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03-17-2016 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JonIrenicus
From what I remember you weren't even at the table when the hand was played(If I am thinking of the same hand).

Usually I have conversations about sports, women, news,etc with my friends, while you have conversations about me(and likely Tim too) with your friends.
That is creepy.

I hope you don't also have (wet) dreams about me or think about me when you're in bed with your (imaginary?) gf.
That would be seriously messed up.
I guess you are as stupid as you are awful at poker. keep up that scamming with your 'coaching' though!
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03-17-2016 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by cilderr
also most regs who raise vs 30% pot bets in 3bet pots or whatever in spots where they are capped and should have 0 raising range
You probably mean smth else here.
So vs a 30% pot bet in a 3bet pot a human should call or fold only, never raise?
From either GTO or exploitive point of view I don't see how they shouldn't have a raising range.
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03-17-2016 , 07:30 PM
lol not having a raising range vs 30% PSBs, by capped, you mean mid set+ lol vs a 3bet range of 5%-25% that cbets close to 100% for that size

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03-17-2016 , 08:10 PM
i think u misunderstood me some way. i mean spots where ppl should bet 30% alot of the time are spots where their range has extreme nuttiness while opponent is either capped to bottom set (which is only 4 combos and still loses to bunch on valuebets) on textures like AK5 or AQ7 or yes sometimes to mid set which is only 4 more combos, but their overall range is so much weaker that no solver will ever raise in their shoes and play their range only as call/fold to have some hands that can defend vs 3barrel. That does not obv mean u shouldnt have raising raise on most textures in 3bet pots vs 30%. I just noticed that in the most obv spots where no winning player should ever have a raising raise, some eastern euros do and it might be something a bot might do with a certain absolute hand strenght or certain blockers depending on what the pot size is (meaning that bot does not understand nuttiness, only mathematical variables).
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03-17-2016 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
Interesting. Then presumably, if the average reg sucks, you should be crushing 200nl zoom for at least 5bb/100?
I think beating zoom for 5bb/100 is def doable. Historically I've made more than that from reg tables though and i multi-site now so zoom is a pretty low priority.

Also saying the regs suck more doesn't mean the tables are better, just means i think the average reg is worse.

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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
So essentially what you're saying is: the average reg at 200z is not particularly good, but they're not bad enough to profit from after you take the rake into account.

If you can't beat them post-rake, they can't be that bad.
No, I know this post of yours wasn't directed at me but you just infer random stuff all the time. This is certainly not what i'm saying but the fact that some people can't beat them post rake doesn't mean they are good, it means rake is ridiculous at small stakes.
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03-17-2016 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MartimC
most predictable regs

- notankyou?

Spoiler:
for some reason can't win a pot vs good regs , hmmmm


you and skiby_kolo are the N1 cry babies, jesus
skiby actif here ?
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