I'm not no tank you.

He play z200, I play z100.

I can only hope/assume not...

bro, its more a general thread here.
If you enjoy to attention-whore a bit or just share your journey, then go ahead and start a blog in the blogsection, but get the **** out of here and stop outing ppl...
Play somewhere else the "Im rly a cool boy - but hey, I mean so really for real!!"...


@all:
Isnt't it in your eyes besides of the botting, solvers, rake-back-cuts and all the other ****,
also a problem that nowadays every ****ing clown thinks its a good idea to offer CG-staking combined with Coachings?
I mean, that was one of the very few positive facts for many of us (who at least play NL100 winning, better 200 winning), that today it is harder to move up and hence less ppl will make it, which might result one day in a better fish:reg-ratio for us...

I feel that this small positive aspect gets hurt a lot when all those offers suddenly bump out like from everywhere..

At this point its coming to an end somewhere in near future so i dont really blame those guys anymore. If you know that and offer coaching/staking/watever in order to squeeze teh last money out of a quickly failing industry its fine.
Most guys who do it, like jon, though think that everythings gonna be allright/are fine and do it anyways which makes it somewat hilarious.
Still their time would probably be spend better to work on planB instead of coaching/staking

how many years is it quickly failing already? U must the most pessimistic person in this subforum, maybe its because u live in an expensive western euro country

I actually took a break from coaching this year :-)

It's not that I think things are fine, I agree the industry is on a decline and it's gonna be over but not as soon as you seem to think.
Though this might just be my impression, we haven't given out estimates. My guess is this year and next year it's still gonna be fine.
What is your estimate?


Plan Bs in this industry are a must regardless of how good/bad it looks

The days of making $250k/year playing 200nl as main stake are gone, 100k a year still possible for a ssnl reg for a few years more. And I think making 50k a year from some kind of poker will still be very possible for at least a decade.

you actually have more optimism than I do

money is overrated anyway

False hope ITT.

Note "some kind of poker". NLHE will be gone within three years tops.

Yep, if things continue as they are this year will be ok and next year probably as well (even though u never really know wat tricks stars is up to next). Im very pessimistic for afterwards though esp poast 2020

Sky is already falling for years (esp for westerners). From the guys i played with in 2010 who all made 100k+/year
there are 5% left, maybe 10. Hint: they didnt quit bc they got bored of making 100k...
Rgd money i spend pretty much teh exact amount of money completely independant where i live and i lived many places...





5 years yeah, decade no unless things improve drastically or yourself improve constantly. And for 50/year im not willing to put in 200h/month.




Nay, there is no hint yet that nl will be going anywhere

The second computers are better than humans, the game is dead.

they already are, yet games are still running according to my pokerstars lobby.

They're not. 6max is a waaaaay more complex game for computers to analyse than HU and computers aren't quite best in the world at HU yet (though I suspect the timescale for that is better measurable in months rather than years).

You dont need to solve 6max poker, you just need to be better than the population, and the bot situation has clearly shown, that they were indeed better.
However that wasnt because those bots were so incredibly good, but because the average regular is way worse than most people would think.

So we actually agree on time frames :-)
You are just expressing it in a negative way while I see it as being ok.
Really, was someone hoping for online poker to be good for 10+ more years?

The bot situation is by far the biggest risk imo. Games are getting tougher but the rate they are getting tougher is declining and there will still likely be enough depositing players to support the games for the foreseeable future.

What will kill it is the possibility of having hundreds of players at small/misdtakes who are happy to load up tables and have some software tell them what to do. Stars aren't doing enough to prevent these guys cheating the poker community out of millions each year. They should be hunted down like the last bottle of vodka in Stalingrad.

The question is when poker will be dead. So long as some people are better than the bots, poker isn't 'dead'. When nobody is, especially if the computers organically improve themselves (since they will do this faster than humans), the makers will be able to invest all their focus in anti-detection measures and all of a sudden kaboom, they stay one step ahead of poker sites (or three steps ahead rather than the one step ahead they currently are) and every game becomes loaded with bots.

playing the optimist advocate here i know but is there any way possible that pokerstars will get better at detecting bots and punishing/banning them?
they must realize as well that bots are biggest threats for online poker.. although i agree they dont always present themselves in the most competent way

ye not like there is rake or anything

well, im not planning to die anytime soon and im far from being set for life. So if i dont really know how to make a living 5 years from now its problem imo




I dont rly see it declining but thats somewat subjective. Whats not subjective is the avg gamesize that runs as in being able to grind 24 tables 400+600 fullring in 2010 to being able to not even 24tables 100+200 fr today apart from peak. So even if game toughnes is static in future its problem

I suggest fitness instructor?

by that time humanity probably has bigger issues than poker not beeing beatable anymore.