Likely because they don't know they pay extra rake for it

there are spots where cashout is + ev, that would not be one of them

This is actually pretty spot on. Never even thought about it and that makes a lot of sense.

Could anyone point me in the right direction for optimal stats for 6max NLH? i want to compare my stats and go through my DB for leaks etc so any advice would be appreciated.

I mean, there is this software called Leak buster 2. That's looking at hundreds million+ hands of optimal ranges.

The is because that's our software. Back in the day when everyone was swapping anecdotal stories on 2+2 about how to play X/Yspots, etc... I started doing massive DB analysis to look at what ranges actually were the most optimal and how each one affected the other. This was obviously before GTO became popular. I just wanted more sound data and an instant check on wtf I should probably change about my game. I used this w/ my students at the time (I don't coach anymore, no time), and they started having really good success. I eventually turned it into software to automate it, and it's still one of the most popular software's out there. It was integrated into HM1/HM2 for many years until we parted ways.

What's really crazy is I started w/ GTO and created software for it 12+ years ago, but 2+2ers and other high stakes players didn't understand the value of mixed decisions w/ their ranges. It was the only software I created that flopped. lol... I should have probably gone back to it once PIO got big, but I had all my resources elsewhere at the time.

I still think LB2 is the best software for understanding how to exploit your opponents, but I know the community is really convinced that GTO is what you need to understand first at the micro / small stakes level. I respectfully disagree with that, but I get why it's become so popular. As soon as top pros do something, people tend to follow. It's always been that way, even when the advice or commonly accepted theories have been terrible in the past. Eventually they get debunked, and the commonly accepted "best" theories evolve into something else.

And that doesn't mean you shouldn't learn GTO play. You'll eventually need it if you get to high stakes play. I just think you make way more money, and give yourself a chance to move up stakes if you're not trying to do something that makes your opponent indifferent to your play. You end up leaving way too much money on the table vs opponents who aren't even understanding when or why you're changing your betting sizes to maximize EV. Understanding the optimal GTO play, doesn't mean you should make it, and people often get really confused about that imho.

Thanks. I've used this in the past when HM was the tracking program i used, but wasn't aware that it's a standalone program now.. The price is fairly decent so may treat myself to it for Christmas lol - guess it pays for itself eventually (hopefully )

Ha, cool. Yeah, we've sold quite a bit of Leak Buster over the years. Not as much as in the past, but it's still a great program. If you have owned it in the past, there's a discount to upgrade to the stand alone, so just contact support if you're not sure how to do this.

True story, but I hadn't played a lot of poker in the past couple of years. I still play from time to time, but I don't grind like I used to. I was just telling DooDooP on here that I played a little over 10k hands over the past few months. Most volume I've put in for a while. I just wanted to see where my game was, and I was using LB2 just to check my sessions in general. I was just mainly playing 100/50nl, and I posted 22.3bb/100 (24.4 evbb/100) in that small sample. It's good to know I can still play, even if that's not sustainable and it's small stakes. I know where the variance will tend to even out at so I can confirm I still know wtf I'm doing at least. lol

Any ways, Happy Holidays!

Awesome! Let's hope you can sustain a decent winrate over a larger sample. How did you find the games compared to when you was grinding more often?

when is +EV to cashout?

When you are scared money taking shots to higher games and get it in 700bb deep in with 98% and would kill yourself if villain sucks out.

Yea from that point of view it can be +EV in terms of real life EV, but in terms of chip EV it is never +EV I think

Thanks. Not really worried about winrate. I just wanted to do a quick checkup on my game. I'm going to play some higher stakes games over the next couple of months. I was previously playing mid and high stakes for many years... more than I want to say. lol Let's just say I've played several million hands online. Several.

I've always done some degree of table selection. But back in the day in high stakes games you were just grinding against the same people, except we'd always try to get into games where there were big tournament TV name players, and they were playing HS cash games. Those were typically the big fish in those games always. For this recent sample, I just played across two sites, tried to find reasonable tables, but I didn't go out of my way to table select because its small stakes.

Facing a limper, do we want to iso wider from the SB or BB?

Assume when we're the BB, the SB also limps behind.

My thinking is we can iso wide in the BB since we've seen everyone act. But it kind of makes sense to do so in the SB as well since when we limp the SB, we allow the BB to blow us off our equity should they iso. Plus we let them realize theirs.

tbh i didn't think of it like that either, and just thought they were cutting down the risk / variance or whatever.. I have that feature turned off and just have run it twice activated.

I hope you find success higher when the time comes, but at least you're emjoying playing again?



I mainly play zoom, but have been mixing in the regular tables lately and theres plenty of 80vpip recs to play against. Iremember when i first started and we had programs to take care of the table selection - table scan turbo i think?

Cashing out underpairs vs AK is good in 6m if you only pay 1%, at least bvb/btn v blinds. It's virtually nothing tho, might make an extra buyin a year.

Lol.

Yeah same here. It's so stupid to pay someone to reduce variance when you can do that for free it both agree. Esp in 6m when you are bvb/btn v blinds.

stay bad kid

Do you guys ever despise / build up random resentments vs certain regs in your pool? There's a reg that annoys the f**k outta me for no reason.. we've not been in battles or anything like that but he tilts me none the less lol

It definitely can be +EV to cashout in very specific circumstances.

Example: There's a whale at the table who's 300 BB deep. You're also 300 BB deep and you get KK all in pre against a 200 BB stack with AKs. If you cashout you're guaranteed to still cover the whale, while if you lose you're now 100 BB effective against the whale. I'd imagine the EV you gain by staying deep against the whale is worth the 1% fee you pay to cashout.

There's also the fact that we're not robots and getting stacked is tilting and will almost definitely slightly degrade your level of play even if you don't notice it, but that's harder to quantify.

But I play on ignition so I don't have to worry about these choices lol.

I have a recent story about cashing out. I had a fun player best me for about 150BB in a very short span at a fresh table. Few orbits go by and I picked up KK and 3b OOP. I slightly overbet jammed 80bigs into 50 OTT on a J high board. V snaps me off with J8cc, no redraw so I'm an 89% fav in about a 300BB pot. I say nah, when offered to play it safe.

I see V cash out.

Hysterical Jd otr. I just SMH and laughed.

I'm not seeing how this could be +EV. If you cashout you get your EV -1%. If you don't cashout your EV is your EV. What am I missing?

Oh wait I get it now. If everyone folded up to the BTN/blinds then there are more aces and kings in the deck on average, and presumably the cashout feature doesn't account for dead cards. Very interesting.

I can definitely see how it's at least possible that cashing out underpairs vs AK can be profitable. Has anyone proven this with math/data?

How do i filter hero stats in hand2note for a specified timeframe rather than all hands on the main screen?

Yes, it's due to bunching effects.

Someone with a bit of coding knowledge could spit out a table showing it one way or the other. There's a chance im wrong since i dont have the numbers in front of me.

Thought experiment tho, seems obvious that with with enough card sharing/collusion you could actually win heaps from AI cashouts on WPN, so the premise is valid.