Congrats man, I'm glad the CFP is going well for you. I'm curious if you are able to elaborate on this graph. I'm just amazed that your profits are coming from not showing hands down, and you're actually losing in the money won at showdown category, if I'm reading this right. Is that correct? And if so, how has poker trended in this way?

I like it a lot, I've made a lot of friends in the program and I think their coaching/material is solid. It sucks that Patrick Howard is no longer directly involved with them, but I think they're still an extremely solid stable.

Trying to reign in the blue line a little bit: most of the high-stakes winners I know do not have super extreme redline/blueline disparities.

I think a lot of the soaring redline basically comes from bluff-catching a lot more, rather than sicko-bluffing all the time. My river call efficiency is super low (parly because I'm running bad and partly because I'm probably bluffcatching a little too much). Every time I bluffcatch a spot someone else would've folded, that tanks my blueline in a spot another player's redline would've tanked.

I've heard some good things about the program. I have been looking in to a CFP program myself. Is this something you'd recommend to others then? i know there seems to be lots of similar options around these days.

Thanks for the rundown. I must be misunderstanding something then. If you're bluffcatching, you're showing a hand down, so how is bluffcatching making your non-showdown winning go up?

If you’re bluffcatching a lot, you’re going to be losing those hands a lot, which brings down your blue line (since you’re supposed to lose most of the time when you bluffcatch). If you folded those marginal bluffcatchers, that would bring down your redline more.

If you go from folding a lot to calling a lot, you’re pretty much shifting a lot of the losing $ from your redline to your blueline (and hopefully picking up a bit of the green line along the way)

Makes sense, thanks for the explanation. My red line steadily goes down lately, but I have a solid increasing blue line fortunately. Ideally your blue line is going up and your red line at least isn't plunging. I just wasn't quite sure why it seemed so cool to have a soaring red line in today's games when it simply made your blue line fall.

I don’t know enough about other CFPs to compare and contrast in too much depth, but I’d definitely recommend detox.

Yeah it’s a bit overrated. What matters is the greenline

mehhhh ... that last session sucked ass man.. grind out a few buyins prior and gets taken back by bad run outs (and bad play i guess lol).. but whatever..

Another big factor -- probably the biggest for my red line/blue line disparity last month -- is how often your river bluffs are getting through. My river call efficiency last month was pretty good (1.55) but my blue line was garbage while my red line soared. I think I was picking bad river spots to bluff and/or was just running bad in terms of getting river bluffs through. I also tend to be too sticky on flop and turn then overfold river.

Unless you’re a drunk fish, it’s basically impossible to make 100bb worth of mistakes in a session. The results of a single session are basically entirely attributable to variance, not good or bad play

Also I was definitely joking when I said red line > other lines. Of course green/yellow line is all that matters.

Don’t think anyone’s calling you out in particular. I see it all over twitter

3betting less in general. Not even sure it's a sound strategy though. On the one hand you want to 3bet less hands that can be easily dominated because IP will over call but they also under 4bet. Which now makes you want to 3bet more hands.

Same conundrum I have when 3betting deep. Do you go bigger or smaller? Low SPR's help OOP but putting in more money when OOP is negative EV in a vacuum.

ZKesic has run 3B PF sims and they clearly favor going way bigger when deeper but then sites like GTO Wizard go smaller preflop when OOP if you check out their 200BB deep preflop sims.

I don't actually think it matters much wrt to winrate but it will make your graph look different. Pluribus has a break even red line and no one will ever play that good.

Anyways, glad everyone has been crushing. Let's keep it up.

Is the there a Stars chat like back 10-15 years ago?

I think 2p2 is so much smaller now...that it's consolidated into here.

There are some Site specific conversations at the link below:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...e-poker-sites/

As a default, I've noticed 3b'ing makes post flop easier to play. Obv can't monkey 3b constantly.

FWIW LLinusLLove and other nosebleed regs have been 3betting smaller OOP when deep for years.

In regard to Pluribus's red line, in theory a player who's playing perfect GTO against other strong players should have a slightly negative red line. OTB_RedBaron talks about this in his blog thread:

Also,

Link: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...3/index13.html

45,721 hands of 200 Zone on Ignition at -.51 BB/10, -.46 EV/100... I ate a 24 buy-in downswing and almost avoided my first losing month at NL with a late comeback. I was frustrated enough to take my first nights off in over a year, but I still hit my 45k/month volume goal.

I think it was a combination of running bad and my playing style not being quite sufficient to win big at 200 Zone. I definitely realized that some of the regs are quite skilled and that my strategy that made me a winner at 50 Zone just doesn't quite translate. My biggest leak is definitely my red line. I have been working with GTO Wizard again, and it is kind of silly how many bluffs, value bets, and calls I miss. I honestly don't know how in the heck I am even winning this year in these games lol. But then a fish backraise jams from the HJ with JTo and I remember why. If I am not able to work things out on my own in the next couple months, it is probably time to hire a coach to give me an objective look at what I am doing wrong.

Grats to everyone on their beast months and red lines! And newguyhere, you're such a big winner historically and so overpowered at your stakes that you will bounce back soon.

Good luck to everyone in December!

Thanks and same to you.

Wanted to get some thoughts on this and didn't see the need to create a new thread.

We open on the BTN 2.5bb and get 3b by the SB 12bb

Per Wiz, our 4b size should be around 26bb

Now what about when SB only 3b to like 8bb? Are you sizing your 4b in relation to their 3b size, so something like 18bb? Or do you still go to 26bb for SPR purposes?

Even though they overcall, you are usually more than okay due to positional advantage. But because of that i just dont 3bet many A5s type hands vs EP open which is working pretty well. As far as 3betting when deep i just use the same size every time bc i figure it cant be that bad. Is it runbad that made you want to change things up maybe?

Sorry I should of specified, I was talking about 3bet pots when I'm OOP.

I try not to change my game based on run bad, I was just looking at PF Data and noticed UTG calls 42% vs SB/BB 3BET's. GTO % is low to mid 20%'s so I'm not incentivized to 3bet certain hand classes.

You should be calling more since you are getting better odds. Your 4bet size is in direct relation to their 3bet size.