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03-09-2012 , 04:40 PM
Ya some of us have long 4 hour work days :|
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03-09-2012 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by icanhazstax



Ohh.. He's a station that gives you no credit? I get it now. Check behind with our strongest hands on a wet flop against a player that has tons of hands to call with, and that doesn't believe you for ****. It's incredibly clear now!



This can't at all be attributed to the fact that it was set versus top 2 HU right? Betting the flop would have worked here also. It's entirely likely he check/raises the flop, or c/calls, and then lead/3bets this turn, or check/raises turn, and the money goes in anyways the times he has K7. But what about the times he has a flush/straight draw? Then checking the flop is certainly a mistake. (it still is anyways)



It's not about being behind. It's about getting the most money in ahead. And while you were able to get stacks in as played against this portion of villain's range, checking the flop is not the best way to do that against this portion of his range, nor most other portions of his range.
Okay, lets analyze the way your method would have played out.

I bet the flop. He calls. Or raises me. I have no exact clue as to whether he has the Flush draw/Straight Draw/Overpair that he cloaked preflop (though I am not suspecting this guy of really doing that.. but it always is possible). I give the guy credit for playing somewhat competently. And I am certain with this play he would have been shoveling chips in early with draws. So his check told me he didn't have anything of the likes. This guy is aggressive with anything. So betting made no real sense. I could have even blown him off his K7o. Even stations know that a board with a potential made straight is not a spot you want to shovel money in with TPGK.

By checking the flop I am giving myself the chance to evaluate his hand on the turn further to see how much money he is going to fork over. When the king comes and he bets I knew exactly what was going on in the hand. The man caught his king. The only question in my mind at the time is how strong his king was. So as you see the chips flew. I never doubt those kinds of reads of mines against certain types of opponents in HU. They might fail me sometimes, but not often that I am going to question myself into playing scared. I am not into guessing games and I eliminate them where possible. If this had been a full ring game, things would have played out differently. Because I do read and employ stuff you guys tell me into ring games.

You also are missing something entirely out of your equation. Pot control. Had any scare card come on the turn I would have just called. And if the river produced another scare card, I could have folded or called depending what was going and prevented the big pot loss had I tried to build the pot from the get go.

Isn't poker about minimizing and maximizing losses and wins?

I know you guys are trying to help =)

But HU and Razz are just two games I know my style and reads are winners at from my own experience.
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03-09-2012 , 05:03 PM
we need to stop with this dumb hand,its makiing this thread unreadable, plz no strat talk. it makes me and others sad

im just assuming this whole hand is a lvl
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03-09-2012 , 05:10 PM
25nl regs suck at starting tables as well. Sometimes wait lists are 10+ deep on every table, its absurd.
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03-09-2012 , 05:13 PM
I'll help start some 25 and 50 tables later if you guys want
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03-09-2012 , 05:18 PM
yes blz
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03-09-2012 , 06:09 PM
Todays session is brought to you by the theme; set over set

how do i feel?

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03-09-2012 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
Okay, lets analyze the way your method would have played out.

I bet the flop. He calls. Or raises me. I have no exact clue as to whether he has the Flush draw/Straight Draw/Overpair that he cloaked preflop (though I am not suspecting this guy of really doing that.. but it always is possible). I give the guy credit for playing somewhat competently. And I am certain with this play he would have been shoveling chips in early with draws. So his check told me he didn't have anything of the likes. This guy is aggressive with anything. So betting made no real sense. I could have even blown him off his K7o. Even stations know that a board with a potential made straight is not a spot you want to shovel money in with TPGK.

By checking the flop I am giving myself the chance to evaluate his hand on the turn further to see how much money he is going to fork over. When the king comes and he bets I knew exactly what was going on in the hand. The man caught his king. The only question in my mind at the time is how strong his king was. So as you see the chips flew. I never doubt those kinds of reads of mines against certain types of opponents in HU. They might fail me sometimes, but not often that I am going to question myself into playing scared. I am not into guessing games and I eliminate them where possible. If this had been a full ring game, things would have played out differently. Because I do read and employ stuff you guys tell me into ring games.

You also are missing something entirely out of your equation. Pot control. Had any scare card come on the turn I would have just called. And if the river produced another scare card, I could have folded or called depending what was going and prevented the big pot loss had I tried to build the pot from the get go.

Isn't poker about minimizing and maximizing losses and wins?

I know you guys are trying to help =)

But HU and Razz are just two games I know my style and reads are winners at from my own experience.
A+, would read again.
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03-10-2012 , 02:50 PM
failure to go with a read = lose a stack

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Merge
SB ($24.97)
Hero ($46.69)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($37.13)
UTG+2 ($20.02)
MP1 ($26.13)
MP2 ($30.73)
CO ($36.13)
BTN ($25)

Dealt to Hero A K

fold, fold, UTG+2 raises to $0.85, MP1 calls $0.85, MP2 calls $0.85, fold, fold, SB calls $0.75, Hero raises to $4.10, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $3.25

FLOP ($10.75) 6 K 4

SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB calls $4

TURN ($18.75) 6 K 4 K

SB checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($18.75) 6 K 4 K 8

SB bets $16.87 (AI), Hero calls $16.87

SB shows 4 4
(Pre 54%, Flop 98.1%, Turn 84.1%)

Hero shows A K
(Pre 46%, Flop 1.9%, Turn 15.9%)

SB wins $49.87

goddamn i ****ing suck at this game
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03-10-2012 , 03:07 PM
lol wut..sorry just never fold here
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03-10-2012 , 03:09 PM
i for one, am glad that you did not go with the read
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03-10-2012 , 03:31 PM
read was "one and done in 3b pots?"

my brain: "full house? nope, turning an underpair into a bluff"
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03-10-2012 , 04:25 PM
His check/call probably should have alarmed you. But I don't suppose you can ever really fold after the turn.
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03-10-2012 , 04:49 PM
Yeah his check call getting 3.5 to 1 was totally shocking.
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03-10-2012 , 04:54 PM
Go back and read the hand.

Odds to what hand are you talking about?

Do you expect many players of calling that preflop raise with something that connects an OESD on the flop?

It may be blind vs blind. But to call something like the hero's preflop raise it isn't going to be 5-7 or other cards. Unless the hero has a read the guy is a donk.
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03-10-2012 , 05:01 PM
folding that hand is ridiculous, i'm sorry. squeezing AK and getting called OOP by the small blind and getting a K64K8r board 100 bbs deep is the nuts. sorry he made an awful call pre and coolered the hell out of you.
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03-10-2012 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
Go back and read the hand.

Odds to what hand are you talking about?

Do you expect many players of calling that preflop raise with something that connects an OESD on the flop?

It may be blind vs blind. But to call something like the hero's preflop raise it isn't going to be 5-7 or other cards. Unless the hero has a read the guy is a donk.
Odds to check call the flop with his TT. What are you talking about? He never has a draw, ever.
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03-10-2012 , 08:03 PM
Shove the turn, let him look you up with any pair
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03-10-2012 , 08:55 PM
Anybody doing a micro NCAA tourney pool? Already doing a SSNL one for $50, looking for another but @ $25 or somethin'
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03-10-2012 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by *COINFLIPS*
Odds to check call the flop with his TT. What are you talking about? He never has a draw, ever.
yeah, but check/calling tens is in improper with those odds. what is it like 22/1 to hit TT?

And I am talking about his check/call most likely mean the guy setmined because y'know calling $3+ preflop is proper.

or u be trolling me? D:
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03-10-2012 , 09:11 PM
TIL - you can bet insanely small in 3b pots and get underpairs to fold.
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03-10-2012 , 09:32 PM
everyone trolling everyone
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03-10-2012 , 10:12 PM
$5 otf, shove turn = ez game. would never even consider folding river.
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03-10-2012 , 10:58 PM
Folding AK in that hand would be so awful. If sb is bad enough to have 44 here he can def have KT-KQ as well and prob some other stupid stuff too. I think you played the hand really well.
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03-10-2012 , 11:26 PM
lol drownkitties went on tilt. first time i seen that.

thats what she gets for not respecting my 3 barrel bluffs that look legit.
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