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Originally Posted by icanhazstax
Ohh.. He's a station that gives you no credit? I get it now. Check behind with our strongest hands on a wet flop against a player that has tons of hands to call with, and that doesn't believe you for ****. It's incredibly clear now!
This can't at all be attributed to the fact that it was set versus top 2 HU right? Betting the flop would have worked here also. It's entirely likely he check/raises the flop, or c/calls, and then lead/3bets this turn, or check/raises turn, and the money goes in anyways the times he has K7. But what about the times he has a flush/straight draw? Then checking the flop is certainly a mistake. (it still is anyways)
It's not about being behind. It's about getting the most money in ahead. And while you were able to get stacks in as played against this portion of villain's range, checking the flop is not the best way to do that against this portion of his range, nor most other portions of his range.
Okay, lets analyze the way your method would have played out.
I bet the flop. He calls. Or raises me. I have no exact clue as to whether he has the Flush draw/Straight Draw/Overpair that he cloaked preflop (though I am not suspecting this guy of really doing that.. but it always is possible). I give the guy credit for playing somewhat competently. And I am certain with this play he would have been shoveling chips in early with draws. So his check told me he didn't have anything of the likes. This guy is aggressive with anything. So betting made no real sense. I could have even blown him off his K7o. Even stations know that a board with a potential made straight is not a spot you want to shovel money in with TPGK.
By checking the flop I am giving myself the chance to evaluate his hand on the turn further to see how much money he is going to fork over. When the king comes and he bets I knew exactly what was going on in the hand. The man caught his king. The only question in my mind at the time is how strong his king was. So as you see the chips flew. I never doubt those kinds of reads of mines against certain types of opponents in HU. They might fail me sometimes, but not often that I am going to question myself into playing scared. I am not into guessing games and I eliminate them where possible. If this had been a full ring game, things would have played out differently. Because I do read and employ stuff you guys tell me into ring games.
You also are missing something entirely out of your equation. Pot control. Had any scare card come on the turn I would have just called. And if the river produced another scare card, I could have folded or called depending what was going and prevented the big pot loss had I tried to build the pot from the get go.
Isn't poker about minimizing and maximizing losses and wins?
I know you guys are trying to help =)
But HU and Razz are just two games I know my style and reads are winners at from my own experience.