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03-20-2010 , 02:22 PM

#3226

subs

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fold... the worst hand he ever has is KTs

03-20-2010 , 02:22 PM

#3227

MDoranD

MDaddyD

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still bad. You are trying to rep exactly JT?

03-20-2010 , 02:25 PM

#3228

aggo

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got fancy, paid off

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: $222.25
Hero (CO): $206.35
BTN: $254.75
SB: $66.25
BB: $198.65
UTG: $221.95

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with A

A

1 fold, MP raises to $7, Hero calls $7, 1 fold, SB calls $6, BB calls $5

Flop: ($28.00) 5

6

J

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $22, SB folds, BB folds, MP calls $22

Turn: ($72.00) 6

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero requests TIME, Hero bets $62, MP calls $62

River: ($196.00) 2

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $115.35 all in, MP calls $115.35

Final Pot: $426.70
MP mucks T

T

Hero shows A

A

(two pair, Aces and Sixes)
Hero wins $423.70
(Rake: $3.00)

03-20-2010 , 02:26 PM

#3229

I vi ii V7

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 9,998

lol just found one of my leaks

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $26.35
BB: $26.25
UTG: $27.50
Hero (MP): $63.15
CO: $39.20
BTN: $25.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with Q

Q

1 fold, Hero raises to $1, CO raises to $3.25, 3 folds, Hero raises to $9, CO raises to $39.20 all in, 1 fold

Final Pot: $18.35
CO wins $18.35

Spoiler:

03-20-2010 , 02:27 PM

#3230

lemming

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subs: it was merely a stupid example illustrating that I think he will snapcall you very often... People don't fold toppair, even TAGs have a hard time doing so.

If you think he'll fold often if you bomb river, then I don't know why you're posting the hand, just bomb and get folds.

(so I guess you put him on air or a Q? what else? Don't you think there are other made hands in his range that will c/c the river?)

I just think it's spewy, that's all I wanted to say

03-20-2010 , 02:28 PM

#3231

Krax

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,914

obv all true on tt flops. It was just a hunch for me today, I took my time and realized that shipping is bad, blahblahblah you know the story

I think he calls with his valuehands a lot on the rainbow flops though, just because I cant rep much, so I have tons of bluffs in my range. IDK, obv I never shove there unless I have strong read

03-20-2010 , 02:28 PM

#3232

subs

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so thats your normal 4 bet size? also a leak

03-20-2010 , 02:30 PM

#3233

subs

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

subs: it was merely a stupid example illustrating that I think he will snapcall you very often... People don't fold toppair, even TAGs have a hard time doing so.

If you think he'll fold often if you bomb river, then I don't know why you're posting the hand, just bomb and get folds.

(so I guess you put him on air or a Q? what else? Don't you think there are other made hands in his range that will c/c the river?)

I just think it's spewy, that's all I wanted to say

right... only air or a queen... nothing else... like 1 out of 25 times he might have a set

03-20-2010 , 02:33 PM

#3234

I vi ii V7

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Quote:

Originally Posted by subs

so thats your normal 4 bet size? also a leak

Me? Should it be more like $7.50?

03-20-2010 , 02:34 PM

#3235

lemming

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Quote:

Originally Posted by subs

right... only air or a queen... nothing else... like 1 out of 25 times he might have a set

that's what I was saying?

"Don't you think there are other made hands in his range that will c/c the river?"... sigh

==> Reason why it's even more spewy, no?

03-20-2010 , 02:35 PM

#3236

subs

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probably like 6.75 or 7

03-20-2010 , 02:36 PM

#3237

subs

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

that's what I was saying?

"Don't you think there are other made hands in his range that will c/c the river?"... sigh

==> Reason why it's even more spewy, no?

and like im saying... he has a set about 1 out of 25 times (hint: thats not very often and can be essentially ignored)

03-20-2010 , 02:38 PM

#3238

aggo

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oops
play bad, get there

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $415.50
Hero (BB): $209.45
UTG: $248.75
MP: $89.15
CO: $144.65
BTN: $246.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with A

Q

1 fold, MP calls $2, 3 folds, Hero raises to $10, MP calls $8

Flop: ($21.00) 2

4

3

(2 players)
Hero requests TIME, Hero checks, MP bets $16, Hero raises to $69, MP requests TIME, MP raises to $79.15 all in, Hero calls $10.15

Turn: ($179.30) 5

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($179.30) Q

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $179.30
Hero shows A

Q

(a straight, Five high)
MP shows 2

4

(two pair, Fours and Twos)
Hero wins $176.30
(Rake: $3.00)

03-20-2010 , 02:43 PM

#3239

lemming

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Ok so you essentially bluff out all his air, maaaaaybe a Q once in a while. (Don't think he folds overpairs and the 1-in-25-times-set)

Don't see a lot of value in a bet. Do you? What hands except for Qx that beat you will fold to a riverbet? I don't see many... (and even Qx would be very weird)

03-20-2010 , 02:45 PM

#3240

wishiewish

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Quote:

Originally Posted by subs

halp

Shoving is fine if he is a reg.
If he is a fish, just check and hope he has some random lolbluff.

fishreg = fish

Last edited by wishiewish; 03-20-2010 at 02:51 PM.

03-20-2010 , 02:45 PM

#3241

fattony7891

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Subs c/b the river in the J9 hand IMO. He might not fold a Q every time and there aren't many in his range i dont think.

03-20-2010 , 02:46 PM

#3242

subs

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why do you assume he basically never folds a queen... what range do you put me on that calls his flop check raise and the turn bet?

03-20-2010 , 02:46 PM

#3243

aggo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

Ok so you essentially bluff out all his air, maaaaaybe a Q once in a while. (Don't think he folds overpairs and the 1-in-25-times-set)

Don't see a lot of value in a bet. Do you? What hands except for Qx that beat you will fold to a riverbet? I don't see many... (and even Qx would be very weird)

not when his cbetsteal is like 100%, and his fcb is 24%

basically i'm still ahead of his PF range and i always have equity

03-20-2010 , 02:50 PM

#3244

wishiewish

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Krax

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $44.30
Hero (SB): $54.00
BB: $50.00
UTG: $54.10
MP: $66.80
CO: $52.40

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 7

7

1 fold, MP raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($4.00) T

A

K

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2.50, Hero raises to $7, MP raises to $22, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

I sooo wanted to ship here. Villain is 18/15. I dont even know why, that 3bet just seemed fishy to me

c/f flop

03-20-2010 , 02:54 PM

#3245

aggo

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Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (SB): $200.00
BB: $350.90
UTG: $236.70
MP: $214.50
CO: $442.85
BTN: $209.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with A

A

1 fold, MP raises to $6, 1 fold, BTN raises to $22, Hero raises to $48, 2 folds, BTN requests TIME, BTN raises to $209 all in, Hero calls $152 all in

Flop: ($408.00) T

8

Q

Turn: ($408.00) Q

River: ($408.00) J

Final Pot: $408.00
Hero shows A

A

(two pair, Aces and Queens)
BTN shows A

K

(a straight, Ace high)
BTN wins $405.00
(Rake: $3.00)

03-20-2010 , 02:56 PM

#3246

lemming

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aggo

not when his cbetsteal is like 100%, and his fcb is 24%

basically i'm still ahead of his PF range and i always have equity

Hm, I was talking to subs, sry for the confusion ^^

@Subs: I put you on something with decent SD value or a flush. But that doesn't really matter in this point, the point is if he thinks you have more flushes in your range or more made hands that might be worse than his Q (if he then has one, which I still think is highly unlikely -- so I don't see the point of wanting him to bluff off one, also because he sometimes does not fold it).

I kinda feel like I'm going in circles... Meh, at least god has a similar opinion to mine, lol

03-20-2010 , 03:03 PM

#3247

Krax

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,914

Quote:

Originally Posted by wishiewish

c/f flop

I'd have to change my location if I started doing that and Im too lazy for that. Plus, my location sounds cool

03-20-2010 , 03:07 PM

#3248

I vi ii V7

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how is it that randoms take the most perfect line ever with flopped trips vs me?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($27.15)
BB ($23.40)
UTG ($13.40)
Hero ($29.05)
BTN ($50.50)

Dealt to Hero J

J

UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, fold, fold, BB calls $1, UTG calls $1

FLOP ($3.85) 9

7

7

BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.25, BB calls $2.25, UTG folds

TURN ($8.35) 9

7

7

5

BB checks, Hero bets $3.75, BB calls $3.75

RIVER ($15.85) 9

7

7

5

T

BB checks, Hero bets $21.80 (AI), BB calls $16.15 (AI)

BB shows 7

A

(Pre 32%, Flop 86.0%, Turn 95.5%)

Hero shows J

J

(Pre 68%, Flop 14.0%, Turn 4.5%)

BB wins $46.15

03-20-2010 , 03:09 PM

#3249

aggo

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in before bet more

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: $200.00
CO: $246.00
BTN: $370.00
SB: $309.45
BB: $252.35
Hero (UTG): $427.10

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with J

K

Hero raises to $7, 3 folds, SB calls $6, 1 fold

Flop: ($16.00) 8

9

9

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($16.00) J

(2 players)
SB bets $8, Hero raises to $22, SB calls $14

River: ($60.00) 9

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $42, SB calls $42

Final Pot: $144.00
SB mucks A

8

Hero shows J

K

(a full house, Nines full of Jacks)
Hero wins $141.00
(Rake: $3.00)

03-20-2010 , 03:09 PM

#3250

wishiewish

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bet river bigger

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