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07-21-2008 , 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by LearningCurve
Sorry, MP. Glad you are at least winning now for a change.


I've loaded for my bonus as well. Comes at a nice time for me this month. Still trying like heck to get at least to BE. 14 BI downswongs are no fun at all.
No sorry necessary for me this month. I am grateful to be doing ok.

I'm sorry so many people here, you included, are down this month.

I'm planning a super-grind today--I have been massively slack this month, not wanting to play so as to protect the winnings i made earlier this month. But I gotta get in some hands. knock wood it's not a catastrophe.
07-21-2008 , 06:49 AM
My wife is 35 years old and never been to a casino!

I took her to the Borgata in Atlantic City yesterday.

We sat at 2/4 LIMIT, to get her feet wet.

After 4 hours, she was up $20, I was down $120. (My AA lost to Q9.. running 9 Q) (My set of fours lost to river gutshot)

She suggested moving to 1/2 NL. I agreed...

She sat with $200, I sat with $300.

She raises one limper to $20. He calls.

Flop 8 A 8.

He checks, she bets $25. He shoves, she calls.

He shows A2o, she shows KK. Turn 8, river 3.

I cringe, she rebuys $100.

She raises two limpers to $20.

Both call. Same guy from A2 hand bets out $20 on A Q 5 rainbow flop.

Other person folds, wife makes it $50. Guy shoves, she calls.

He shows Q5o, she shows AKs. Turn 3, River 2.

I get pissed, she rebuys $100.

She raises two limpers to $20, first limper shoves, second folds.

She calls, he shows AA, she shows QQ.. no help.

We played for about 7 hours, I was mostly card dead and uneventful.

Wife lost 400, I lost 90.


Last edited by Kevroc; 07-21-2008 at 06:53 AM. Reason: We chatted the whole ride home about the KK hand, the other two were just coolers, imo.
07-21-2008 , 08:01 AM
Reminds me of when i took my ex to a live tourney. It was a rebuy and she didn't rebuy once. I get moved to her table with two tables left (top table gets paid). I'm shortish and she is table chipleader (lol) so i start shoving vs other peoples blinds, when she doesn't open raise. She limps for the first time on my BB, SB completes and i check with 74o. Flop comes 778, SB checks, i shove (as i don't want her to put money in as she gets a bit pissy when i 'bully' her) and she goes, with a reaaaallly apologetic look, 'Sorry, i'm going to have to call you here' and flips over 88.

Then she spent the whole way back on the train complaining about the players on the final table and how she got sucked out on to come 4th for Ł110 ($220)
07-21-2008 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
I need to talk to someone about a theory who isnt a 50NL PS reg...about a possible strategy of play there
Hey Digger, not a reg at 50NL anymore after a swong forced me back to 25NL. Always like talking strategy for both levels though. Would love to hear any ideas.
07-21-2008 , 10:03 AM
Ugh...last 2 sessions.....combined for -7BI. I hate "variance".

Note: "variance" = me playing like a donk
07-21-2008 , 10:07 AM
This doesn't need it's own thread, just something I've been wanting to clear up in my mind...Tell me if this is correct.

If you raise enough pre to deny a set-miner correct implied odds, that means that you could go broke every time they flop a set against you, and it's still +EV for you because they did not get a good enough price pre. The amount you extract pre will be way more than the amount they win when they flop a set. Right?
07-21-2008 , 10:11 AM
Its really going well for all of us isn't it?
07-21-2008 , 10:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LearningCurve
TR?
Will post pics when I get home from work.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpethybridge
I'm planning a super-grind today--I have been massively slack this month, not wanting to play so as to protect the winnings i made earlier this month. But I gotta get in some hands. knock wood it's not a catastrophe.
This is how I know I could never play this game for a living. Been draggin this month along and have to play a bunch (for me) to maintain my ironman level before next week.
07-21-2008 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by I vi ii V7
This doesn't need it's own thread, just something I've been wanting to clear up in my mind...Tell me if this is correct.

If you raise enough pre to deny a set-miner correct implied odds, that means that you could go broke every time they flop a set against you, and it's still +EV for you because they did not get a good enough price pre. The amount you extract pre will be way more than the amount they win when they flop a set. Right?

This is essentially correct, but you shouldn't be going broke everytime someone flops a set against you anyways. Are you talking about just when you have an over pair like KK?

It's more about reducing implied odds for the setminer. Raising more bbs is one way to reduce them. This also has the effect of allowing villains to reduce the # of mistakes they make against you because your raise sizes will have to be tough to call. Another way is raising a larger variety of hands. If you raise with a hand that has to make a hand in order for you to continue beyond more than a cbet on the flop your really not offering the setminer very good odds.

If someone setmines me if I make a late position raise, my range is wide enough that most hands I'm not stacking off. Plus the setminer is going to have to fold to a cbet a lot of times on the flop even when I don't make a hand. The hands I do stack off with are going have their fare share of monsters too. Straights, flushes, sets etc... This is not profitable to set mine against even if I'm only making standard bets/raises, imo.
07-21-2008 , 11:12 AM
I'm trying to do some job applications at the moment and i'm looking for a way of describing my success in poker without making me sound like a degenerate gambler.

Anyone got any ideas? Should i just leave it off all together?
07-21-2008 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Baja15
I'm trying to do some job applications at the moment and i'm looking for a way of describing my success in poker without making me sound like a degenerate gambler.

Anyone got any ideas? Should i just leave it off all together?
Equity Analyst? Nah, leave it off.

Though in the BBV thread about this subject (linky), "I worked with ******s" was a popular choice.

If you want serious advice, I'd need to know more specifics, like your work history, what you're looking for, etc.

Quote:
Originally Posted by I vi ii V7
This doesn't need it's own thread, just something I've been wanting to clear up in my mind...Tell me if this is correct.

If you raise enough pre to deny a set-miner correct implied odds, that means that you could go broke every time they flop a set against you, and it's still +EV for you because they did not get a good enough price pre. The amount you extract pre will be way more than the amount they win when they flop a set. Right?
It depends on a lot of things. There are more assumptions for this to be true that you didn't list, but instead of going into them, I'll just say this:

A very common mistake made by poker players is determining if x play is +EV, and not what play is most +EV.

Last edited by KurtSF; 07-21-2008 at 11:37 AM. Reason: added link
07-21-2008 , 11:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptVimes
This is essentially correct, but you shouldn't be going broke everytime someone flops a set against you anyways. Are you talking about just when you have an over pair like KK?

It's more about reducing implied odds for the setminer. Raising more bbs is one way to reduce them. This also has the effect of allowing villains to reduce the # of mistakes they make against you because your raise sizes will have to be tough to call. Another way is raising a larger variety of hands. If you raise with a hand that has to make a hand in order for you to continue beyond more than a cbet on the flop your really not offering the setminer very good odds.

If someone setmines me if I make a late position raise, my range is wide enough that most hands I'm not stacking off. Plus the setminer is going to have to fold to a cbet a lot of times on the flop even when I don't make a hand. The hands I do stack off with are going have their fare share of monsters too. Straights, flushes, sets etc... This is not profitable to set mine against even if I'm only making standard bets/raises, imo.
Good points, thx CV.
07-21-2008 , 11:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevroc
My wife is 35 years old and never been to a casino!

I took her to the Borgata in Atlantic City yesterday.

We sat at 2/4 LIMIT, to get her feet wet.

After 4 hours, she was up $20, I was down $120. (My AA lost to Q9.. running 9 Q) (My set of fours lost to river gutshot)

She suggested moving to 1/2 NL. I agreed...

She sat with $200, I sat with $300.

She raises one limper to $20. He calls.

Flop 8 A 8.

He checks, she bets $25. He shoves, she calls.

He shows A2o, she shows KK. Turn 8, river 3.

I cringe, she rebuys $100.

She raises two limpers to $20.

Both call. Same guy from A2 hand bets out $20 on A Q 5 rainbow flop.

Other person folds, wife makes it $50. Guy shoves, she calls.

He shows Q5o, she shows AKs. Turn 3, River 2.

I get pissed, she rebuys $100.

She raises two limpers to $20, first limper shoves, second folds.

She calls, he shows AA, she shows QQ.. no help.

We played for about 7 hours, I was mostly card dead and uneventful.

Wife lost 400, I lost 90.

This is awesome.

I think there's a chance I will someday get my wife onto a 2/4 LHE table somewhere. We play HU NL freezouts at the kitchen table sometimes, and she really enjoys it. Which is awesome! T1000, starting blinds 2-4, they move up every time we go for more wine or when we feel like it. I've won them all, and somehow she still wants to play. Score.

For the reason's displayed in your post, I won't back her in an NL game. But if she's ever at a Casino with me will put her in 2-4 fo sho.

Cool story. Thanks!
07-21-2008 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by KurtSF
Equity Analyst? Nah, leave it off.

Though in the BBV thread about this subject, "I worked with ******s" was a popular choice.

If you want serious advice, I'd need to know more specifics, like your work history, what you're looking for, etc.
I'm just applying for lots of different financial/consultancy type positions.

Lack of work history is the problem, not had a job for 3 years because of poker. I have been at uni the whole time so i haven't got a massive gap in my Cv but i'm still struggling for experience.

It just seems like a wasted opportunity not to try and get all of the positive aspects of playing poker for a living across. But if people aren't going to try and understand then i guess there is not much i can do.
07-21-2008 , 11:44 AM
So far some reason last night I ended up on the M-H forum (I guess it's kinda like driving past a train wreck; you just have to look). I just want to say how much I appreciate what Berge, CMAR and the other mods do around here. There's not many of us who would volunteer to do a thankless job that requires so much time and creates so much tension. Thanks guys, I think you do a great job.
07-21-2008 , 11:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baja15
I'm just applying for lots of different financial/consultancy type positions.

Lack of work history is the problem, not had a job for 3 years because of poker. I have been at uni the whole time so i haven't got a massive gap in my Cv but i'm still struggling for experience.

It just seems like a wasted opportunity not to try and get all of the positive aspects of playing poker for a living across. But if people aren't going to try and understand then i guess there is not much i can do.
If you were in uni the whole time and there's no gap in work history, I would leave it off the resume. Bring it up in the interview, where you can gauge reaction, talk about how it applies to financial management, explain yourself, etc. Just too easy for them to look at your resume and say "lol degen" and put it aside, but if you think it will help and can explain it in a way that is appropriate, the interview would be the place to bring it up. Might even set you apart since its memorable.
07-21-2008 , 02:23 PM
I'm in the same boat baja. I took a year off after school to travel and stuff and supported myself with poker. Now that i'm going to start looking for work I have nothing on my resume except random summer work. No idea how I'm going to get a job, though I know I am not going to mention anything about poker unless it comes up in an interview.
07-21-2008 , 02:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by I vi ii V7
This doesn't need it's own thread, just something I've been wanting to clear up in my mind...Tell me if this is correct.

If you raise enough pre to deny a set-miner correct implied odds, that means that you could go broke every time they flop a set against you, and it's still +EV for you because they did not get a good enough price pre. The amount you extract pre will be way more than the amount they win when they flop a set. Right?
Yes. This is one of the things behind SPR and why it is generally OK to go broke with overpairs in 3bet pots.
07-21-2008 , 03:02 PM
I vi ii V7. (damn, that's a bitch to type out), for the most part, yes. This is assuming you also won't go broke with a UI AK.
07-21-2008 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Semtex
I'm in the same boat baja. I took a year off after school to travel and stuff and supported myself with poker. Now that i'm going to start looking for work I have nothing on my resume except random summer work. No idea how I'm going to get a job, though I know I am not going to mention anything about poker unless it comes up in an interview.
Common opinion that I have read from well known poker players who also own businesses is to not mention poker at all, certainly not on your resume. The average middle-upper management is your typical "1) go to school 2) get a degree 3) get a job" person. If you bring up poker they are going to think degenerate gambler not bankroll management, study, concentration, quick thinking, and pressure situations. When I went from playing full-time back to work I spun my time-off as trying to start my own business that never made it. "Self-employed" is much easier to swallow than degenerate gambler.
07-21-2008 , 03:12 PM
This is HILARIOUS.

I just lost with a flopped str8FLUSH...HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
07-21-2008 , 03:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SammyG-SD
This is HILARIOUS.

I just lost with a flopped str8FLUSH...HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
OM****ingG

And I thought losing with quads was funny.

That is ****ing unsane. HH plz.
07-21-2008 , 03:18 PM
PS, I don't care what happens. You get the medal for "ran the worst durring the challenge".

A straight flush?

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I got nothing.
07-21-2008 , 03:34 PM
hmmmm

PokerStars Game #18992552605: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/07/21 - 15:30:38 (ET)
Table 'Kartvelia' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: jbauer74 ($23.75 in chips)
Seat 2: botyboty ($49.60 in chips)
Seat 3: NYMarathoner ($50 in chips)
Seat 4: FEARisPOWER ($57.15 in chips)
Seat 5: wasserss ($8.50 in chips)
Seat 6: r4k3m4ch1n3 ($9.25 in chips)
Seat 7: Chromosome69 ($47.75 in chips)
Seat 8: kuri1972 ($158.90 in chips)
Seat 9: NateCull ($49.25 in chips)
NYMarathoner: posts small blind $0.25
FEARisPOWER: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FEARisPOWER [Qc Qs]
wasserss: folds
r4k3m4ch1n3: folds
Chromosome69: folds
kuri1972: folds
NateCull: folds
jbauer74: folds
botyboty: raises $1.50 to $2
NYMarathoner: folds
FEARisPOWER: raises $5.50 to $7.50
botyboty: calls $5.50
*** FLOP *** [8h Jc Th]
FEARisPOWER: checks
botyboty: bets $10.50
FEARisPOWER: raises $34 to $44.50
botyboty: calls $31.60 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($2.40) returned to FEARisPOWER
*** TURN *** [8h Jc Th] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [8h Jc Th 9d] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FEARisPOWER: shows [Qc Qs] (a straight, Nine to King)
botyboty: shows [Tc 4s] (a pair of Tens)
FEARisPOWER collected $96.45 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $99.45 | Rake $3
Board [8h Jc Th 9d Ks]
Seat 1: jbauer74 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: botyboty (button) showed [Tc 4s] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 3: NYMarathoner (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: FEARisPOWER (big blind) showed [Qc Qs] and won ($96.45) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 5: wasserss folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: r4k3m4ch1n3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Chromosome69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: kuri1972 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: NateCull folded before Flop (didn't bet)
07-21-2008 , 03:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by partypoker123
hmmmm

PokerStars Game #18992552605: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/07/21 - 15:30:38 (ET)
Table 'Kartvelia' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: jbauer74 ($23.75 in chips)
Seat 2: botyboty ($49.60 in chips)
Seat 3: NYMarathoner ($50 in chips)
Seat 4: FEARisPOWER ($57.15 in chips)
Seat 5: wasserss ($8.50 in chips)
Seat 6: r4k3m4ch1n3 ($9.25 in chips)
Seat 7: Chromosome69 ($47.75 in chips)
Seat 8: kuri1972 ($158.90 in chips)
Seat 9: NateCull ($49.25 in chips)
NYMarathoner: posts small blind $0.25
FEARisPOWER: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FEARisPOWER [Qc Qs]
wasserss: folds
r4k3m4ch1n3: folds
Chromosome69: folds
kuri1972: folds
NateCull: folds
jbauer74: folds
botyboty: raises $1.50 to $2
NYMarathoner: folds
FEARisPOWER: raises $5.50 to $7.50
botyboty: calls $5.50
*** FLOP *** [8h Jc Th]
FEARisPOWER: checks
botyboty: bets $10.50
FEARisPOWER: raises $34 to $44.50
botyboty: calls $31.60 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($2.40) returned to FEARisPOWER
*** TURN *** [8h Jc Th] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [8h Jc Th 9d] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FEARisPOWER: shows [Qc Qs] (a straight, Nine to King)
botyboty: shows [Tc 4s] (a pair of Tens)
FEARisPOWER collected $96.45 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $99.45 | Rake $3
Board [8h Jc Th 9d Ks]
Seat 1: jbauer74 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: botyboty (button) showed [Tc 4s] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 3: NYMarathoner (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: FEARisPOWER (big blind) showed [Qc Qs] and won ($96.45) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 5: wasserss folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: r4k3m4ch1n3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Chromosome69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: kuri1972 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: NateCull folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Don't question, just enjoy

      
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