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Old 02-19-2009, 03:42 AM   #3351
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How much an hour and you obv could provie a large sample of winning nl50?

you can PM a screenname if you are being serious.
I can do for $30 an hour (I think that's a good deal?)
I've only done a few sweat sessions so don't expect a fully prepared lesson plan or anything like that. I can watch you play for a while and see where it takes us. Or you can watch me play whatever you prefer.

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My graphs are in the graph threads I'd rather not post them again
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Old 02-19-2009, 03:44 AM   #3352
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YoungPlayer9, I'm willing to coach you since I'm taking a short break from poker for a week or 2 just to refocus my life and slowly let the bad side of variance take it's course (Since I've been running so hot as you're about to see). PM me if you'd be interested. Unfortunately I'd have to charge you more than Ksight, but feel free to go with him, somewhere in the range of $80-$100/hr.


And don't worry about being at a certain stake too long, I can think of countless players on 'Stars that I've tangled with over the last couple of years between $50 and $200 NL who I can definitely say have either no motivation to move up, or are completely comfortable with their lifestyle and income that they can continue to stick with such limits over long periods of time - there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I'd characterize myself more of a player that moves up slowly, but once moving up, hardly, if ever, moves down unless the bankroll is really hurting to do so to become a regular back at old stakes. But I'm usually a huge bankroll nit and would already have a few months worth of winnings cashed out offline to reassure myself that even if I lost everything online currently, that I'd still be a huge winner based upon those stakes. There's nothing more gratifying than proving yourself a winner over several months at a particular level and moving up, compared to moving up several levels in a month or two, which can usually be proven by running very good and not cashing out that often. I think everyone who reads this can't argue the fact that one of the most priceless things in poker, as bad as they may get at times, is the long term consistency.

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Old 02-19-2009, 03:45 AM   #3353
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sigh, do you guys think its worth getting a coach for nl50? Im srsly considering it cuase i think a few hours would be ahuge help since
I have literally been stuck her for atleast 4 solid months. I am overrolled for it, which just makes my 10bi up and down swings not hurt so much. I need to start posting hands or something I just can't find my own leaks, terrible feeling.

And as far as being 20~ and not having a ****ing clue... I think I am in that boat but I do have a pretty solid plan/ working towards that plan but still am scared ****less.
seems deff worth it. if ur roll is bigger then ur skill coaching is a good way to go. see if hawk or thac would b interested
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Old 02-19-2009, 03:58 AM   #3354
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YoungPlayer9, I'm willing to coach you since I'm taking a short break from poker for a week or 2 just to refocus my life and slowly let the bad side of variance take it's course (Since I've been running so hot as you're about to see). PM me if you'd be interested. Unfortunately I'd have to charge you more than Ksight, but feel free to go with him, somewhere in the range of $80-$100/hr.
I am going to think about this for the night if thats okay so I can do the maths and stuff and see whether or not it'd be worth it as of right now. Thank you for the offer though. To be honest I am leaning towards you just because you play higher, I think your experience(sort of assuming but I see that you play nl400~ from little research i did) would be more than enough to make up in difference in price.

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seems deff worth it. if ur roll is bigger then ur skill coaching is a good way to go. see if hawk or thac would b interested
Ya I e-mail hawk when he was giving out coaching but I think one of the brew regulars got it. And I am pretty sure thac would be >my br/hour

Ksight I am going to think overnight if its okay with you to see where I am at and like I told H-bomb, do the maths to see what would be the best value for me. Thanks for the speedy responses.

Sorry thac, and/or other mods that mod the brew, for posting this here, didn't realize there was a request coaching post already. If its totally unkosher go ahead and delete all my posts that have to do with coaching, it wont hurt my feelings .
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:04 AM   #3355
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Its ok yp9, post away.
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:11 AM   #3356
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Anyone watching this PAD with the CR guys against Eli, Doyle, and Kaplan? I'm amazed that the live players are the ones being extremely unfriendly and cold in front of the camera. For the first two episodes Cole prodded them with questions but got short one-sentence answers. Now the three young guys are just talking, and at present, doing quite well in the pokers as well, overall.

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Old 02-19-2009, 04:18 AM   #3357
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Yeah, although I haven't been paying much attention to them as I tend to watch NBC from about 11:30 pm - 3 am on most nights, the order is usually Jay Leno, Conan O'brien (who is ending his reign of 16 years of NYC shows by this Friday), Carson Daly and PAD last. So my attention span of watching TV tends to dwindle by Poker After Dark when it comes on. But it was pretty apparent how the 'nets were definitely more sociable lately than the Veterans. It'd be more interesting to pick the brains of Doyle and Gabe rather than Eli though. Just something about Eli makes you think that if you win too much off of him, you'll find a dead horsehead in your bed later that night.
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:23 AM   #3358
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i know the answer obv but wouldnt mind input. where to go for spring break?

1) Vegas (first time there being 21+)
2) panama city FL (spring break ldo)
3) stay home...world baseball classic in Toronto a couple days/probable turning stone trip/possible cavs or raptors game/xtra BR grinding
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:25 AM   #3359
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Thac, just food for thought. Despite how bad our economy is now, and not having a job for quite some time now. What would have to be the minimum salary you'd take as an offer to get back into the job force. Some of my best acquaintances are telling me not bother about getting a job and just try to keep playing until either the economy has appeared fully recovered or the poker addiction wears off.

Edit: I forgot to mention that these acquaintances are the ones with the better jobs than other friends of mine. :S Kinda confusing really.

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Old 02-19-2009, 04:28 AM   #3360
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answer for thac:

One hundred billion dollars

wait, he's downswing-

Um, 200k?

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Old 02-19-2009, 04:30 AM   #3361
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i know the answer obv but wouldnt mind input. where to go for spring break?

1) Vegas (first time there being 21+)
2) panama city FL (spring break ldo)
3) stay home...world baseball classic in Toronto a couple days/probable turning stone trip/possible cavs or raptors game/xtra BR grinding

If you play as much as some regulars, a trip to Panama City is just what one could need to find a balance between life and poker again. Being from Toronto, I'd imagine you're sick of the cold weather by now, but I love baseball and possibly going to a Cav's game could be a huge + since they are definitely one of the top contenders in the eastern conference.

Vegas will never change and always be around. It's more fun going in the summer, especially during the WSOP main event days when you'll see tons of some of the highest cash gamers in the world playing at the Bellagio or The Wynn really late at night.
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:35 AM   #3362
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Thac, just food for thought. Despite how bad our economy is now, and not having a job for quite some time now. What would have to be the minimum salary you'd take as an offer to get back into the job force. Some of my best acquaintances are telling me not bother about getting a job and just try to keep playing until either the economy has appeared fully recovered or the poker addiction wears off.
50k min.
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:38 AM   #3363
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does it matter what type of job?

eg I'd probably take a 5-10k cut on a job if I actually liked what I was doin.

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Old 02-19-2009, 04:49 AM   #3364
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50k min.
Ok, now I want to do a little social experiment of asking pro poker players what the minimum salary is that they would take a real-life job and chart it against their expected yearly poker income. Then, I'm going to split those up between players upswinging, players downswinging, and players at about expectation.

I'm downswinging, I'd probably say 30k. If I was upswinging, I would almost certainly say 50k, because I think I'll make it this year and the psychological toll wouldn't seem as immediate because the pokers were going well. If I was at expectation, I think it would somewhere in between that, but closer to the 50k mark.

I'm curious if most poker players would feel that way, even if the better ones supposedly separate themselves from the short-term results.

And job type matters, obv. I'd think that one you would be satisfied but not orgasming over would be the right mark to set. If I could do the one thing I wanted to most, I'd do it for less than a regular job hourly and far, far less than my poker hourly.
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Yeah, I think $50k is a good benchmark also for American guys in their 20's.
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:49 AM   #3366
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are there any jobs, which u can get for like1 day a week, and only ~4 hours?

and are sociable
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I'm downswinging but still I don't think that'd change so much. 50k seems like a good salary considering how stable everything would be.
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I'm downswinging but still I don't think that'd change so much. 50k seems like a good salary considering how stable everything would be.
are you operating under the assumption that you would supplement your income with poker? And would you move down in limits to less variance but less hourly? I really wasn't taking that into account. If you're still having -5k or 10k days when you're making 50k a year, I don't think the stability aspect will change much. And if you're not supplementing your income, that's quite a bank dropoff
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and are sociable
It's called volunteering. Give it a shot.

Or be a Wal-Mart greeter.
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are you operating under the assumption that you would supplement your income with poker? And would you move down in limits to less variance but less hourly? I really wasn't taking that into account. If you're still having -5k or 10k days when you're making 50k a year, I don't think the stability aspect will change much. And if you're not supplementing your income, that's quite a bank dropoff
Yeah I figured something like grinding 400nl MAYBE, but if I have a career, I'll be busy with that and family so poker gets the backseat by a mile.
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But yeah I see where you're coming from. I also find myself on the job hunt more when I'm on a downswing but as soon as things are able to pick up again, it's almost like I forget all about it and continue making as much as I would like to at a real job. But there's just something you can't put a value on with the benefits of a job - security, health/dental/vision, and social reasons.
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are there any jobs, which u can get for like1 day a week, and only ~4 hours?

and are sociable
um you could run vending machines lol? probably take u about that to restock each week maybe spread out tho an 1 4 x a week?

Sociable? umm chat to stuff clients etc?

(lol yeh i looked at this when i saw a lotta machines for sale once)

edit: oh I thought u meant like make a living from as well.. yes you'd need a lot
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But yeah I see where you're coming from. I also find myself on the job hunt more when I'm on a downswing but as soon as things are able to pick up again, it's almost like I forget all about it and continue making as much as I would like to at a real job. But there's just something you can't put a value on with the benefits of a job - security, health/dental/vision, and social reasons.
Reasonably sure you can put a value on that imo.

But yeah, social reasons are like the #1 reason I am kind of looking for work right now.
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It's called volunteering. Give it a shot.

Or be a Wal-Mart greeter.
Not to be mean or anything, but those positions, if you would call them that, are more for the handicapped, and older generations of people. My college town that I distinctly remember had a one armed greeter that you would think would deter people away more so than bringing in more. But I can see how Walmart is trying to do the socially acceptable thing by hiring less fortunate individuals.
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FWIW, I was being extremely sarcastic HBomb. If you don't need much money, and working 4 hours a week is at most going to get you like 40 bucks, then volunteering is the way to go.

It'll make you feel better about yourself, you'll meet people from different environments than yourself, and it will make you a better person. Also, it works well on a resume.

****, I just convinced myself to go volunteer.
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