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08-05-2010 , 02:48 PM
His 3bet stats were like 14/14/13 in the Button/SB/BB. Obv situationally this is different, but I would go under the assumption that anyone who is abusing 3betting IP and vs Button/SB opens is also capable of squeezing when confronted with all this possible dead money. I can't find the sqz percentage stat on my HEM.

We're like 40/60 vs a range of TT+ AQ+ if called and there's $12.50 in the pot when he raises. Our hand vs his range, the dead money and FE would all make it a decently +EV play?

What do we think of his call? Also std? He timebanked for like 50 seconds before deciding to call.
08-05-2010 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by PJo336
TRADER!!!


Also I know quite a few successful players without stop losses and who drop 10 bis in a day quite a few times
i believe you mean traitor
08-05-2010 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh!
His 3bet stats were like 14/14/13 in the Button/SB/BB. Obv situationally this is different, but I would go under the assumption that anyone who is abusing 3betting IP and vs Button/SB opens is also capable of squeezing when confronted with all this possible dead money. I can't find the sqz percentage stat on my HEM.

We're like 40/60 vs a range of TT+ AQ+ if called and there's $12.50 in the pot when he raises. Our hand vs his range, the dead money and FE would all make it a decently +EV play?

What do we think of his call? Also std? He timebanked for like 50 seconds before deciding to call.
Slowroll imo.
08-05-2010 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh!
What do we think of his call? Also std? He timebanked for like 50 seconds before deciding to call.
LOL obv he has a fistpump snap call. If he tanked he is either mass tabling or a ******.
08-05-2010 , 02:51 PM
dont think ive ever lost 10bi in one day in half a decade. stop-loss ftw? i usually shut it down somewhere between 2-5BI.
08-05-2010 , 02:54 PM
EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE JUST GETTING COOLERED/RUNNING BAD ONCE YOU LOSE MORE THAN CERTAIN NO. OF BI'S YOU WILL START PLAYING WORSE, NO DOUBT.

USE A STOPLOSS - EZ GAME. /THREAD

HAPPY CAPSLOCK DAY EVERYONE.
08-05-2010 , 02:55 PM
Right. The amount of aggro players pre at 50nl is definitely something that I'm having to get used to. 25nl has a decent amount of 3betting but for the most part I haven't seen anyone go absolutely nuts with it, whereas there's a ton of regs I've been playing against here that are just ****** aggro pre.
08-05-2010 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by skraper
i believe you mean traitor
lol you right, just woke up
08-05-2010 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by fattony7891
EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE JUST GETTING COOLERED/RUNNING BAD ONCE YOU LOSE MORE THAN CERTAIN NO. OF BI'S YOU WILL START PLAYING WORSE, NO DOUBT.

USE A STOPLOSS - EZ GAME. /THREAD

HAPPY CAPSLOCK DAY EVERYONE.
YOU TO.

Spoiler:
AHHHHHHHHHH
08-05-2010 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dumuzi
dont think ive ever lost 10bi in one day in half a decade. stop-loss ftw? i usually shut it down somewhere between 2-5BI.
do you ever play more than 2k hands in a day? Stop at 2-5???? 2-5 can happen in 30 hands, ppl who want some volume cant do that kind of thing
08-05-2010 , 02:58 PM
even if u arent tilting, if u are losing that means villains are winning. u want to play against villains who are losing and tilting. they play better when winning.

losing also prevents u from playing deep as much, where a lot of $$$ comes from.

when u are losing, everyone is more likely to try and run u over. they wont give u much respect and 'expect' u to lose or fold.

so, at the very least keep changing tables if u are losing.
08-05-2010 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian J
with this many people in the pot his range is more nutted. i have done this a decent bit against squeeze happy villains in more standard spots though. it's definitely tilt inducing and you get a lot of guys who will call with AJ/KQ because they "got odds"
Im pretty sure its +ev to snap this jam with A8+, 99+ if you are sure that Hero is regfish who auto3bets AK/QQ even to UTG raise.

Also, if that assumption is true, Im sqzing like 20-30% or smth ridiculous like that there, just cuz UTG is the only one who can have a hand
08-05-2010 , 03:01 PM
too say everyone should have a stop loss because know one plays their A game after losing x amount of buy ins is a bit ridiculous.
08-05-2010 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dumuzi
even if u arent tilting, if u are losing that means villains are winning. u want to play against villains who are losing and tilting. they play better when winning.

losing also prevents u from playing deep as much, where a lot of $$$ comes from.

when u are losing, everyone is more likely to try and run u over. they wont give u much respect and 'expect' u to lose or fold.

so, at the very least keep changing tables if u are losing.
I pretty much have to disagree with all of this

1. Not everyone plays better when winning, in fact, some spew more because they can lose some pots without losing on the day

2. Ppl make way more mistakes deep and it costs them more than it helps them in general. No matter what most ppl want to think, they are not super sick at playing deep.

3. Good! Let ppl try and run over me. Thats when you nit up and take free money

PS, you should always be changing tables frequently as most tables go to **** a lot. Just because youre up 2 bis at a reg filled table doesnt mean you shouldnt change
08-05-2010 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PJo336
do you ever play more than 2k hands in a day? Stop at 2-5???? 2-5 can happen in 30 hands, ppl who want some volume cant do that kind of thing
well mostly 4-5BI stoploss. how often do u lose 5BI in a day? few times a month? shouldnt prevent u from getting in volume. i 12 table 2-3 hours a day.
08-05-2010 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Dumuzi
well mostly 4-5BI stoploss. how often do u lose 5BI in a day? few times a month? shouldnt prevent u from getting in volume. i 12 table 2-3 hours a day.
wtf? What the **** am I doing wrong, I have +-10bi days on regular basis
08-05-2010 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dumuzi
well mostly 4-5BI stoploss. how often do u lose 5BI in a day? few times a month? shouldnt prevent u from getting in volume. i 12 table 2-3 hours a day.
I mean I finish down 5+ maybe 2-4 times a month on an average month. But there are also days where I am down 4-5 and come back to even or -2ish about 2 times a month as well. I grind more when Im down anyways, so if i stop lossed i would really get no volume lol

also the higher the limit the more i think you have to be ready to swing
08-05-2010 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PJo336

PS, you should always be changing tables frequently as most tables go to **** a lot. Just because youre up 2 bis at a reg filled table doesnt mean you shouldnt change
This is one of the reasons I have a bad redline. If you are constantly at tables with big fish and have a positive redline you are on a sick heater or doing it wrong.
08-05-2010 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dumuzi
well mostly 4-5BI stoploss. how often do u lose 5BI in a day? few times a month? shouldnt prevent u from getting in volume. i 12 table 2-3 hours a day.
so do you think you are not profitable in the games you are playing if you lose 5bis ? If you are a winner in these games, your edge maybe smaller but you should still be making money in these games even if you are down bis.

Stop losses are more important at the higher stakes imo because your edge is smaller so playing anything but your A game will not be profitable.
08-05-2010 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by skraper
It may not be a $ amount that starts tilt. It can be one bad beat. Or everyone folding to your AA 4 times in a row.
Agree 100%. I should add that you can't always stop yourself from tilting, you can have things in place which will stop the effect that tilt has on your bankroll. I hope that distinction is clear.

This is where a stop-loss comes in - it basically curbs the effect of tilt at a fixed # of BI's.

Some people don't tilt much so their stop loss can be much, much greater. I mean ... if you are down 10 BI's, you are probably not playing great poker anymore and could certainly use a pee break.
08-05-2010 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by skraper
This is one of the reasons I have a bad redline. If you are constantly at tables with big fish and have a positive redline you are on a sick heater or doing it wrong.
This is one of the reasons I dont care about my redline lol
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Originally Posted by TheWizardOfOddz
so do you think you are not profitable in the games you are playing if you lose 5bis ? If you are a winner in these games, your edge maybe smaller but you should still be making money in your games.
This. I dont tilt as easily as I used to so theres very often not a reason for me to quit
08-05-2010 , 03:17 PM
fwiw if I lose 10 buy ins I will take at least a break to watch a movie or walk the dog. Probably even sooner than that. But I have had swings as large at 15 buy ins down and 12 buy ins up in a single day. I can confidently say that on the 15 buy in downswing I was not playing my best poker after around 5 or so.
08-05-2010 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PJo336
do you ever play more than 2k hands in a day? Stop at 2-5???? 2-5 can happen in 30 hands, ppl who want some volume cant do that kind of thing
Having a stop loss doesn't necessarily mean quitting for the day. It can mean quitting the session. You can still comeback and play later. More importantly though, why would you actually want to put in volume if you're not playing your A game.

There's no set stop loss. Maybe somebodies stop loss is 7 or 8, another persons might be 3. It also depends on how exactly you lose. Losing from running bad may not effect you, as actually all-out spewing that same number of BI's. I don't get effected by coolers etc, but I literally sh*t the bed if I completely spew even 2 BI's, especially if I knew that I shouldn't have been making that move in the first place.

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Originally Posted by TheWizardOfOddz
too say everyone should have a stop loss because know one plays their A game after losing x amount of buy ins is a bit ridiculous.
Being able to quit, is more important than anybody seems to realize.
08-05-2010 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by skraper
fwiw if I lose 10 buy ins I will take at least a break to watch a movie or walk the dog. Probably even sooner than that. But I have had swings as large at 15 buy ins down and 12 buy ins up in a single day. I can confidently say that on the 15 buy in downswing I was not playing my best poker after around 5 or so.
yeah this almost exactly applies to me aswell
08-05-2010 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by fattony7891

Being able to quit, is more important than anybody seems to realize.
i am not saying i never quit a session, i am saying that the reason i stop is not because i lost 5bis, it is because i dont think i am profitable in the games i am playing. I have stopped sessions where i was up 1-3bis because i just didnt feel like playing or i think my opponents are outplaying me etc. People who have stop losses are usually losing money in the longrun from this strategy.

      
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