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I've gotten stacked six times with AA in the lost two days. Including one hand where this dude with a 3bet of 1.9 over 800 hands 3bet in the SB and I flatted in BB. QT9 flop and he has J8 obv.

08-05-2010 , 01:56 PM

#1527

cleverme

journeyman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by verneer

Tilt, by definition, is a state of mind when you can no longer make those rational decisions. Thus, having a stop-loss is the only way to keep from really tilting.

Tilt cannot be the state of mind where you can't make any rational decisions. Even when I'm making ace high calls at 10NL I can tell you that slaughtering babies is wrong; I might even be able to answer very tricky physics questions. People who needs stop loss have varieties of tilt where they can't make good meta decisions at the same time as they can't make good poker decisions. This is probably true for many people, but for some people these are more separated than others.

Regardless, I think you're right for many people and certainly for more people than will think you're right for them.

08-05-2010 , 02:04 PM

#1528

Brian J

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Meh i hate making these bitchy whiny posts on how lousy i run, it ain't changing things despite the fact i've been doomswitched ever since i posted my 100,000 hand 5bb graph a few months ago.

I'd rather post bitches...

Spoiled for u pussies with PC workplaces...

Spoiler:

08-05-2010 , 02:04 PM

#1529

udbrky

Formerly known as udbrky

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 28,908

Obv you've never read some of the famous bbv threads like:

"I stabbed myself in the leg"

"I stabbed somebody at a poker game"

and the others where people destroy things that cost more than they lost because of tilt.

But he's not meaning it this way, he means that it's when you can no longer operate at the level you usually do because of anger/fear of losing - not that you're goin to go punt a baby across the yard if you lose another flip.

08-05-2010 , 02:05 PM

#1530

udbrky

Formerly known as udbrky

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schoolgirl fetish much?

I approve of the pictures

08-05-2010 , 02:07 PM

#1531

Krax

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh!

I've gotten stacked six times with AA in the lost two days. Including one hand where this dude with a 3bet of 1.9 over 800 hands 3bet in the SB and I flatted in BB. QT9 flop and he has J8 obv.

why would you flat against range that is so strong? Just get it in pre...

08-05-2010 , 02:08 PM

#1532

Brian J

TOTP Master

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Quote:

Originally Posted by udbrky

schoolgirl fetish much?

I approve of the pictures

they all need to be spanked imo

08-05-2010 , 02:09 PM

#1533

ayuken

adept

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 763

ill take it

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) IPoker
SB ($28.17)
BB ($33.27)
Hero ($53.10)
CO ($18.42)
BTN ($20)

Dealt to Hero A

Hero raises to $0.70, fold, fold, SB raises to $1.20, fold, Hero raises to $3.20, SB calls $2

FLOP ($6.60) Q

SB checks, Hero bets $4.60, SB calls $4.60

TURN ($15.80) Q

SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB calls $8

RIVER ($31.80) Q

SB checks, Hero bets $37.30 (AI), SB calls $12.37 (AI)

Hero shows A

(Pre 81%, Flop 91.6%, Turn 95.5%)

SB shows 6

(Pre 19%, Flop 8.4%, Turn 4.5%)

Hero wins $53.72

08-05-2010 , 02:11 PM

#1534

Brian J

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shove the turn imo

08-05-2010 , 02:15 PM

#1535

Stackajawea

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haha have you ever felt so owned by how the board ran out?

The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $50.00
BTN: $90.25
SB: $58.50
Hero (BB): $62.60
UTG: $28.15
MP: $94.30

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with T

4 folds, SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, SB calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.00) Q

(2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($20.00) T

(2 players)
SB bets $9, Hero calls $9

River: ($38.00) 2

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $43.60 all in, SB calls $39.50 all in

Final Pot: $117.00
SB shows Q

(three of a kind, Queens)
Hero shows T

(two pair, Tens and Twos)
SB wins $114.00
(Rake: $3.00)

08-05-2010 , 02:17 PM

#1536

ayuken

adept

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian J

shove the turn imo

i didnt know he was such a fish, i bet normal size because the board was kinda safe

08-05-2010 , 02:23 PM

#1537

Brian J

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ayuken

i didnt know he was such a fish, i bet normal size because the board was kinda safe

why would you consider that a safe board?

08-05-2010 , 02:25 PM

#1538

Batman1421

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Full Tilt Poker $5.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (SB): $7.58
BB: $4.03
UTG: $2.03
MP: $4.96
CO: $10.01
BTN: $2.02

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with A

UTG raises to $0.10, 1 fold, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.45, BB calls $0.40, UTG calls $0.35, CO calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.80) Q

(4 players)
Hero bets $1.25, BB folds, UTG calls $1.25, CO folds

Turn: ($4.30) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $4.30, UTG folds

mmmkay

08-05-2010 , 02:27 PM

#1539

Josh!

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 536

Villain had a 3bet of 12.5 over 400 hands. Std ship yeah?

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $66.75
BB: $60.75
UTG: $50.50
Hero (MP): $79.45
CO: $50.00
BTN: $62.60

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with 9

UTG raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, BB raises to $6.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $79.45 all in, 2 folds, BB calls $54.25 all in

Flop: ($126.00) 4

(2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($126.00) Q

(2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($126.00) 3

(2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $126.00
BB shows K

(high card Ace)
Hero shows 9

(a pair of Nines)
Hero wins $123.00
(Rake: $3.00)

08-05-2010 , 02:28 PM

#1540

Stackajawea

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lol sb gets owned.

The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $114.80
Hero (UTG): $112.95
MP: $9.60
CO: $54.80
BTN: $30.45
SB: $55.25

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with K

Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.75) 9

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.75, BTN calls $3.75, SB calls $3.75

Turn: ($17.00) K

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($17.00) Q

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $17, SB calls $17, Hero raises to $107.45 all in, BTN calls $7.95 all in, SB folds

Final Pot: $83.90
Hero shows K

(a full house, Queens full of Kings)
BTN mucks T

Hero wins $80.90
(Rake: $3.00)

08-05-2010 , 02:28 PM

#1541

Dumuzi

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brian, why not play some 25nl for a bit, get a winning streak going, and regain confidence?

08-05-2010 , 02:34 PM

#1542

ayuken

adept

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 763

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian J

why would you consider that a safe board?

because on that turn i beat his potential two pair and i am very unlikely to get outdrawn, at least thats what i thought then

08-05-2010 , 02:35 PM

#1543

EATITPAL

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh!

UTG raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, BB raises to $6.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $79.45 all in, 2 folds, BB calls $54.25 all in

Flop: ($126.00) 4

(2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($126.00) Q

(2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($126.00) 3

(2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $126.00
BB shows K

(high card Ace)
Hero shows 9

(a pair of Nines)
Hero wins $123.00
(Rake: $3.00)

There is an EV calc for this although i can't remember how to do it. If anything i would imagine it is a very high variance and thin play.
edit: also good luck seeing villain have a 12.5% 3b in this situation. It is totally different to a SB vs BTN dynamic, in which case your jam is probably way more -EV.

08-05-2010 , 02:38 PM

#1544

Stackajawea

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basically he needs to be squeezing >6% of the time. we don't really care whether he calls or folds AQ. that being said you better be damn sure his range is wide

08-05-2010 , 02:40 PM

#1545

Brian J

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dumuzi

brian, why not play some 25nl for a bit, get a winning streak going, and regain confidence?

thinking about it. invariably i will go on a 20BB/100 hot streak...at 25nl

actually think i should just play some PLO for a while

Quote:

Originally Posted by EATITPAL

There is an EV calc for this although i can't remember how to do it. If anything i would imagine it is a very high variance and thin play.

with this many people in the pot his range is more nutted. i have done this a decent bit against squeeze happy villains in more standard spots though. it's definitely tilt inducing and you get a lot of guys who will call with AJ/KQ because they "got odds"

08-05-2010 , 02:42 PM

#1546

Dumuzi

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i wouldnt think '12.5% 3b after 400 hands' is enough to shove there. any read about him multiple times squeezing garbage in non steal spots would be good to gogo though.

08-05-2010 , 02:43 PM

#1547

EATITPAL

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian J

thinking about it. invariably i will go on a 20BB/100 hot streak...at 25nl

actually think i should just play some PLO for a while

with this many people in the pot his range is more nutted. i have done this a decent bit against squeeze happy villains in more standard spots though. it's definitely tilt inducing and you get a lot of guys who will call with AJ/KQ because they "got odds"

Yeah i edited my post, this is definitely not a standard spot. Despite the fact i don't know a lot about villain but i would imagine his 3b range to be something like 4-5% so QQ+ AK for value and a few rando bloofs.

Also PLO is a hit and miss imo, if you run bad its horrendous but if you run good its amazing.

08-05-2010 , 02:44 PM

#1548

skraper

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 10,241

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh!

UTG raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, BB raises to $6.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $79.45 all in, 2 folds, BB calls $54.25 all in

Flop: ($126.00) 4

(2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($126.00) Q

(2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($126.00) 3

(2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $126.00
BB shows K

(high card Ace)
Hero shows 9

(a pair of Nines)
Hero wins $123.00
(Rake: $3.00)

just fwiw the reason jamming 99 is profitable here is exactly what happened. A huge portion of his range for getting it in is AK.