i think it depends on stake, tilt and your playing style but this is just a guess

$50 flip on FT anyone? search me on FT Dintyo

yah i get too nitty sometimes that prob helps limit my variance (and winrate)

brag

Where did you read that it was standard?

villain is a reg


Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $54.00
BTN: $100.00
Hero (SB): $216.05
BB: $100.00
UTG: $143.35
MP: $218.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with J J
4 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.00) 7 J J (2 players)
Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

Turn: ($15.00) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $9, Hero calls $9

River: ($33.00) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $18, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $199.55 all in, BB requests TIME, BB calls $65.50 all in

Shipped monies for prop bet. Also im playing as EATITPAL on full tilt.

tbh I dont even remember where I got that info, prob read it somewhere, but it makes sense for a lot of people afaik. Mb it was that ssnl thread about downswings, idk.

received!

not a bad session



not a bad month

I think the downswing is increased from where it should be due to tilt decisions induced by the downswing but i've been concentrating hard on playing a solid less tilt induced game and it just doesn't matter what i do right now. Yesterday I played very solid and i dropped 10 buy ins and ran 10 below ev. i used to always wonder what would happen if you went through a stretch with sub optimal play, lost a number of bi and then corrected your play but then started running really bad nevertheless. I think i am finding that out right now.

As i indicated yesterday every session has been starting with me winning and then hitting a wall. Every single one. The same thing happened last night. So you say well obv there is just bad play right?! And I think the same so i go back and look at the hands at the point where everything goes wrong. I can't find really obv huge problems with the way i played the hands. That's the most frustrating thing. And while there is always a couple of stupid suck outs and the occasional hand where I am pushing a small if any edge, i am finding my opponents to be playing fine in many instances, which means those in session downswings are variance. you can see recent hands here...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1402

I really only see one hand there that i prob could get away from and that's the AK that gets donked into by a set on a 3b pot. But villain was a moron. The 22 vs AK on KKx board was standard imo and the funny thing was i said to myself when i saw the flop that it would be impossible for me to have the best hand by the river the way i am running.

these are the three hands that broke an earlier +2bi session:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1160

My calculation i did yesterday showed that if i put a stop on every session once i get 2bi up i would be up $6k over this period whereas i am down $4k. That's a $10K swing within sessions. Just through variance alone some of those sessions should have swung more to the positive side! But each and every swung negative. Grinding up from 5nl i never experienced such a thing.

I also don't know if it is just a coincidence but a lot of my recent downswing has occurred after FT changed the way you can table select.

Dan can you post the finalized prop bet stuff?

brian, so you are actually on 60bi downswing or did you ask cuz you are near that mark?

If u want to learn to not tilt, play HU. You can't not become immune to it or you will be crushed.

i'm choosing to ignore a 20bi upswing somewhere in there so its more like 40 in reality. but it was so brief that i don't hardly remember it.

fyp

ya I dropped close to 30 buy-ins last month and probably somewhere in the 20 buy-in range sometime earlier in the year. ofc there's usually some absurd 100bi upswing that pretty much confirms my existence.

Brian,

You are leaking in other spots that you probably either dont even see or have brainwashed yourself into believing it isnt spew. 60 buyins isnt normal variance. When you say that you lose 10 buyins in a single day that is enough of a sign that you have issues right there. You should just about never lose that many buyins in a single day because the best players use a stop loss. Brian you really either need some time off of poker or a coach immediately.

I agree with everything you said except for the stop-loss. What the best players do is have an realistic sense of how they are playing. If they are playing well and the losses aren't effecting their play they will stay in +ev situations. If the losses (or other things) are stopping them from playing well they will stop playing.

The key term is "realistic". A lot of players are unable to recognize tilt in themselves and for those players a stop-loss is a great thing. A stop-loss can also be good when a player knows that x number of buy ins will affect his play and draws the line just before that so as to just avoid having to make the decision at all.

To add to what Matt is saying:

As someone who is on a downswing themselves atm, I'm 100% certain that it could be minimized (if not avoided). Yes, there are just some nasty hands in there (2 outers, 3 outers, 4 outers, etc), but there are also TONS of situations where I'm playing big pots with marginal hands or sticking my stack in situations where I'm crushed or flipping.

You are probably in a very negative mindset about poker atm (I know I am when I'm in a downswing). Have you dropped down at all during that stretch?

Tilt, by definition, is a state of mind when you can no longer make those rational decisions. Thus, having a stop-loss is the only way to keep from really tilting.

August Volume Pool Update

benjamin barker - 75k - 100nl - PAID
skraper - 50k - 100nl - PAID
comstizzle - 80k - 25nl
kidacao - 60k - 50nl - PAID
eatitpal - 50k - 25nl - PAID
spraggy - 50k - 25nl - PAID
vitheltone - 60k - 50nl - PAID
daycareinferno - 350k - 5nl - PAID
dcredskins24 - 25k - 25nl - PAID
decon50 - 60k - 50nl - PAID
dint - 50k - 25nl - PAID
stackajawea - 50k - 50nl - PAID
elusive - 100k - 50nl - PAID

everyone is paid up except comstizzle, he pm'd me and said he needs a few more days before he can ship and i'm ok with that

im gonna ask everyone to post/pm screenshot updates around the 15th or so just so we can all know how everyone is faring

It may not be a $ amount that starts tilt. It can be one bad beat. Or everyone folding to your AA 4 times in a row.

I have single session stop of 5 bi. Unfortunately this was 10 bi in 3 sessions and i played well with a stable red line so i didn't see the need to stop at any point. Just sucks that i ran so bad in the big pots.

I am well aware that my biggest leak has been playing too long to try to grind out a rustucko. Unfortunately, my run lately has nothing to do with that.

yeah, i dropped from 100nl to 50nl mainly because i had to cash out half my roll last month. the sucky thing is i was winning at 100nl at the time and losing at 50nl and the losses at 50nl have only increased.

i'm not delusional and have always had a strong work ethic and when i go on a downswing my standard thing to do is to double up my study and cut my play. I always
came out of every downswing as a better player. But this time has been different.

It's sort of like when you are in zone as a hitter in baseball and the ball looks really fat. When you are winning all the spots are just standard and the flops are safe. When you are losing there is no such thing as an easy spot. Flops and turns are ridiculously gross right now.

my mindset is definitely f'd up. i can pretty much see on every flop what card is about to fall to kill my hand. My opponents' ranges are ridiculously weighted to strength.