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08-25-2010 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Spraggy
He means hero should be raising 9x hands here for value etc.... so if hero only raises top set for value on this flop then he isn't raising thin enough.

I agree with WOO to an extent but I agree that most 25nl villains won't raise 9x here and therefore your argument about the small amount of combos is correct.
If thats Wizard's arguement he needs a NL25 reality check, the only time Ive ever seen anyone show up with 9x in this kind of spot at these limits is vs fish who dont know what theyre doing.
08-25-2010 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by joephe
If thats Wizard's arguement he needs a NL25 reality check, the only time Ive ever seen anyone show up with 9x in this kind of spot at these limits is vs fish who dont know what theyre doing.
IDK, Even the regs dont fold, Im value betting 9x on this river versus most.
08-25-2010 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by joephe
You havent countered my arguement whatsoever.
You are making too many assumptions so how can i counter that.

Gis has to be bluffing 48% of the time to make this call breakeven and i doubt he will be 3barelling that specific river all that often since villain will never fold 9x + (apparently even 3x) since all draws missed and since he called the turn.
08-25-2010 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Sc00by
IDK, Even the regs dont fold, Im value betting 9x on this river versus most.
Agreed, if I had a 9 in that spot Id be happy playing it that way, my point is you just about never see it at NL25, most regs have a very polarised c/r bet bet range on dry boards.
08-25-2010 , 04:40 PM
ya I think villain played it the second best way possible other than folding turn.
08-25-2010 , 04:40 PM
I really cannot believe the discussion about my hand. Of course I know that I donīt rep MUCH, but I doesnīt matter... I was playing 20/19 and didnīt show any bluffs, he had absolutely no reason to think I was bluffing. My line is not a bluff as a default, itīs usually the nuts untill proven otherwise. To call me down that light he should at least have some kind of a read at all.
08-25-2010 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by joephe
Agreed, if I had a 9 in that spot Id be happy playing it that way, my point is you just about never see it at NL25, most regs have a very polarised c/r bet bet range on dry boards.
I didnt realise the flop was c/r by hero. Changes things slightly. I would need A9 to jam river I think.

Im never expecting a 25NL reg to fold a PP here. We will inevitably value cut ourselves some % of the time, but villain dependant obv.
08-25-2010 , 04:41 PM
i think if hero is able to go for thin value OTT with a T it's a fold
08-25-2010 , 04:41 PM
tryin to comment too much on the A3 hand is pointless w/o reads also

against a total unknown i would not like the call down i suppose
08-25-2010 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by gsiciliano
I really cannot believe the discussion about my hand. Of course I know that I donīt rep MUCH, but I doesnīt matter... I was playing 20/19 and didnīt show any bluffs, he had absolutely no reason to think I was bluffing. My line is not a bluff as a default, itīs ysyally the nuts untill proven otherwise. To call me down that light he should at least have some kind of a read at all.
People stack off lighter LPvB, but I do agree, nuts/air ratio is hugely weighted to nuts, even if you are polarised.

FWIW I can play JJ this way. As well as A9. So I dont think you are as polarised as mentioned ITT.
08-25-2010 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TheWizardOfOddz
You are making too many assumptions so how can i counter that.

Gis has to be bluffing 48% of the time to make this call breakeven and i doubt he will be 3barelling that specific river all that often since villain will never fold 9x + (apparently even 3x) since all draws missed.
Actually its about 32.5% he needs to be bluffing to breakeven on a call.

I dont know what read villain had on Gis, in all honesty he probably wasnt thinking too hard about it. As I mentioned above, NL25 regs have such polarised ranges in this spot generally and very few of them are thinking to such a level that when all the draws miss they shouldnt be bluffing.
08-25-2010 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by benjamin barker
tryin to comment too much on the A3 hand is pointless w/o reads also

against a total unknown i would not like the call down i suppose
ya, your default should not be to call down if villain does not rep much because it "wont be the worst call ever". Sure it wont be the worst but it is defiantly spewing money.
08-25-2010 , 04:45 PM
hey what's everyone std/100?

mines 95ptbb/100 i think thats pretty high?
08-25-2010 , 04:46 PM
i heard 80 was "normal"

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08-25-2010 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Comstizzle
hey what's everyone std/100?

mines 95ptbb/100 i think thats pretty high?
How do you check?
08-25-2010 , 04:49 PM
guys i have a strat question for you:

i got pocket jacks and i got 3betted - do i fold or call or raise?
08-25-2010 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by joephe
Actually its about 32.5% he needs to be bluffing to breakeven on a call.

I dont know what read villain had on Gis, in all honesty he probably wasnt thinking too hard about it. As I mentioned above, NL25 regs have such polarised ranges in this spot generally and very few of them are thinking to such a level that when all the draws miss they shouldnt be bluffing.
actually it's much closer to 50% if you consider the calldown from the flop
08-25-2010 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by joephe
How do you check?
if you got hem you can add it as a stat, go to the reports and click teh plus sign on the left hand side somewhere
08-25-2010 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sc00by
nuts/air ratio is hugely weighted to nuts, even if you are polarised
This. To be polarized is not only being 50% air and 50% nuts. 1% air and 99% nuts is also polarized. What isnīt polarized is 20% air, 25% weak made hands, 30% good made hands and 25% nut-type hands.
Sure, my line on the river is polarized, but very much towards the nuts than air (as it is for most 25NL players)
08-25-2010 , 04:49 PM
BB depends on the villain?
08-25-2010 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by joephe
Actually its about 32.5% he needs to be bluffing to breakeven on a call.

I dont know what read villain had on Gis, in all honesty he probably wasnt thinking too hard about it. As I mentioned above, NL25 regs have such polarised ranges in this spot generally and very few of them are thinking to such a level that when all the draws miss they shouldnt be bluffing.
am i a math fish, is it not 16.9 / 17.95 +16.9= .48
08-25-2010 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Comstizzle
actually it's much closer to 50% if you consider the calldown from the flop
Ranges change on every street so considering the call down from the flop is absurd
08-25-2010 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Comstizzle
hey what's everyone std/100?

mines 95ptbb/100 i think thats pretty high?
the last time i checked, it was in the mid 100s, i think it was 147.
08-25-2010 , 04:53 PM
if someone bets full pot on the river, you gotta win 1 out of 3 to b/e

the two times you lose you lose one psb on the call. the time you win you get two psbs (the one in the pot already and his new bet)
08-25-2010 , 04:54 PM
1:.48 is the odds that are laid wizard. so the % of hte time we need to be right is .48/1.48

      
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