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i played a TAGish style with the most standard preflop numbers for 200k hands losing/breaking even, i didn't enjoy it and I felt like I could make more money if I opened up my game...

since i've opened up my game i've been playing more of a LAGish style I've actually been winning over my past 60k hands, so until I get a decent sample in playing this style I see no reason to adapt back to standard stats

08-21-2010 , 03:36 AM

#6277

aesthetics

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 5,514

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharkbaitOHH

his f3bet is lol too

people in micros are adjusting and taking advantage of it way too often

the reason why I don't 3bet is because I get very little credit when i'm playing 30/25 and often looser

08-21-2010 , 03:36 AM

#6278

skraper

Verified Coach NLHE

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When you play more hands, you open yourself up to larger swings. Makes sense, no?

ANd if you get no credit your value 3betting range should be pretty darn wide.

08-21-2010 , 03:38 AM

#6279

sharkbaitOHH

Carpal \'Tunnel

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just trying to help

. theres no problem with playing looser if you're a winning player. you're just asking for unnecessary variance imo.

your ptr makes me want to cry everytime i check on it though

08-21-2010 , 03:39 AM

#6280

aesthetics

Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by skraper

When you play more hands, you open yourself up to larger swings. Makes sense, no?

err can you elaborate because I think the opposite is true

Quote:

Originally Posted by skraper

ANd if you get no credit your value 3betting range should be pretty darn wide.

my 3bet is 6%

08-21-2010 , 03:44 AM

#6281

skraper

Verified Coach NLHE

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To play a higher vpip profitably you have to make thinner vbets and thinner calls. A few extra of these go one way or the other and swing swong.

08-21-2010 , 04:08 AM

#6282

Insta-4Bet

banned

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dint

if it's so standard why is it hard to believe?

I don't get it Dint, it says you are only 2 buyins under EV and down 8 buyins in winnings, not down 8BI in EV, right? Post EV line.

08-21-2010 , 04:10 AM

#6283

aesthetics

Pooh-Bah

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............

08-21-2010 , 04:11 AM

#6284

Insta-4Bet

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F HEM

How does "Total Win" or "Winnings" mean you are down 8BI in EV?

08-21-2010 , 04:13 AM

#6285

aesthetics

Pooh-Bah

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Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($52.35)
BB ($48)
UTG ($54.75)
Hero ($52.80)
CO ($61.95)
BTN ($212)

Dealt to Hero K

UTG raises to $2, Hero raises to $5, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG raises to $13, Hero raises to $52.80 (AI), UTG calls $39.80

FLOP ($106) 3

TURN ($106) 3

RIVER ($106) 3

UTG shows A

(Pre 94%, Flop 98.0%, Turn 90.9%)

Hero shows K

(Pre 6%, Flop 2.0%, Turn 9.1%)

UTG wins $103

yup im done for the day

08-21-2010 , 04:15 AM

#6286

Comstizzle

veteran

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playing more hands doesn't necessarily require thin calls imo but does require thin vbets.

08-21-2010 , 04:15 AM

#6287

Comstizzle

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getting AK in preflop vs. an UTG opener just isn't going to be profitable with some history. i think thats like the perfect spot to flat AK

08-21-2010 , 04:17 AM

#6288

aesthetics

Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Comstizzle

getting AK in preflop vs. an UTG opener just isn't going to be profitable with some history. i think thats like the perfect spot to flat AK

he's opening 30% utg and not folding to 3bets

08-21-2010 , 04:25 AM

#6289

Comstizzle

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what's ur sample?
i mean then the 3bet is fine but i still think it's a fold to the 4bet

08-21-2010 , 04:27 AM

#6290

aesthetics

Pooh-Bah

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250 hands

what do you think he does when I 3bet him and he has QQ oop

08-21-2010 , 04:28 AM

#6291

Comstizzle

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4bets it. but ur not ahead of QQ

08-21-2010 , 04:30 AM

#6292

aesthetics

Pooh-Bah

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once I 3bet am i not getting odds against a range of QQ+/AK?

08-21-2010 , 04:31 AM

#6293

Comstizzle

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he may or maynot 4bet AK/QQ

08-21-2010 , 04:33 AM

#6294

Comstizzle

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plus i just stoved it and ur 38% against that range so no

08-21-2010 , 04:34 AM

#6295

aesthetics

Pooh-Bah

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guess i should 3b/f then

08-21-2010 , 04:49 AM

#6296

Insta-4Bet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dint

if it's so standard why is it hard to believe?

How does this justify this statement?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dint

jesus christ you are ****ing kidding me, $400 below EV today @ 50nl

08-21-2010 , 04:51 AM

#6297

aesthetics

Pooh-Bah

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ok $365 below EV

Spoiler:

08-21-2010 , 04:56 AM

#6298

Insta-4Bet

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Post EV line. I don't understand HEM's nonsense.

08-21-2010 , 04:59 AM

#6299

indianboy44

grinder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Insta-4Bet

Post EV line. I don't understand HEM's nonsense.

Pretty sure that $(EV adjusted) is how much he would be up/down if he ran at neutral EV. Winnings is how much he actually made/lost.

08-21-2010 , 04:59 AM

#6300

aesthetics

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 5,514

what dont you understand???

it says my expected value is to be down $95

however, my winnings are actually down $460'

If I ran with average luck, I should only be down $95, however I am down $460, $460-95 = 365

i dont see anyway this doesn't make sense

EDIT: I think you are reading EV to mean that I am only $95 below EV, this is incorrect. EV is showing my winnings if I had have run at expected all in results

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