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08-03-2010 , 01:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dint
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Full Tilt
BB ($25.77)
($36.40)
Hero ($64.83)
CO ($43.82)

Dealt to Hero 9 K

fold, Hero raises to $0.75, CO raises to $2.40, fold, Hero raises to $6, CO calls $3.60

FLOP ($12.25) 7 8 2

Hero bets $6, CO calls $6

TURN ($24.25) 7 8 2 4

Hero checks, CO checks

RIVER ($24.25) 7 8 2 4 J

Hero checks, CO checks

Hero shows 9 K
(Pre 57%, Flop 64.5%, Turn 79.5%)

CO shows T J
(Pre 43%, Flop 35.5%, Turn 20.5%)

CO wins $23.04

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god damn moron
wtf are you doing?
08-03-2010 , 01:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dint
small 5b is always AA
in a nutshell sure, but theres a bit of history. he sees you at 3 betting him often so a 4b to take that back...and so on
08-03-2010 , 01:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh!
wtf are you doing?
what don't you like?
08-03-2010 , 01:48 AM
woooo

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $5.94
Hero (BB): $11.48
UTG: $2.04
MP: $4.95
CO: $2.13
BTN: $6.58

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with A 2
1 fold, MP calls $0.05, 3 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.12) 5 A 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($0.12) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($0.12) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, MP folds

Final Pot: $0.12
Hero mucks A 2
Hero wins $0.12

Last edited by gateswi; 08-03-2010 at 01:49 AM. Reason: guess i didn't bet turn because... ?
08-03-2010 , 01:52 AM
Probably the sickest cooler I've ever dished out. Ship that 500+ BB pot.

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $22.78
BTN: $45.69
SB: $53.41
BB: $110.38
Hero (UTG): $64.63
MP: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with A Q
Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, CO calls $0.85, BTN calls $0.85, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($4.25) K T J (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.25, CO calls $3.25, BTN folds, SB folds, BB raises to $11, Hero raises to $26, CO folds, BB raises to $89.88, Hero calls $37.78 all in

Turn: ($135.06) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($135.06) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $135.06
BB shows 9 Q (a straight, King high)
Hero shows A Q (a straight, Ace high)
Hero wins $132.06
(Rake: $3.00)
08-03-2010 , 01:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dint
what don't you like?
The 4bet with a hand that has practically no playability when called and the continuation bet on a board where he's likely to float you with all of his pairs, over cards, straight draws, flush draws and random crap.

Come the turn you have contributed 50bbs to the pot with King high and no draw. And a King high that loses to all other King highs at that.
08-03-2010 , 01:56 AM
actually yeah cbetting that flop is spew
08-03-2010 , 01:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh!
The 4bet with a hand that has practically no playability when called
because I expected my 4 bet to get called. not

lol, he's 3betting 18% otb over 300 hands, and he's folded to 1/1 4bets, its a great spot to 4bet, we have a blocker and i expect him to ship/fold

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but yeah i shouldnt cbet, I kinda put him on random overs like KJ/QJ/AJ/KT type crap or pocket pairs, but its still a bad cbet, but that's the only mistake in the hand, i'll 4bet here all day against a guy 3betting 18%, until he starts flatting me ip
08-03-2010 , 02:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dint
because I expected my 4 bet to get called. not

lol, he's 3betting 18% otb over 300 hands, and he's folded to 1/1 4bets, its a great spot to 4bet, we have a blocker and i expect him to ship/fold

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but yeah i shouldnt cbet, I kinda put him on random overs like KJ/QJ/AJ/KT type crap or pocket pairs, but its still a bad cbet, but that's the only mistake in the hand, i'll 4bet here all day against a guy 3betting 18%, until he starts flatting me ip
Don't disagree with the idea to 4bet, but because you're 170 BBs deep, your 4bet sizing does make it possible for villain to profitably flat your 4bet with a speculative hand. JTo isn't a profitable flat here but JTs probably is. Make it like $8.50.

Last edited by poloplaya1414; 08-03-2010 at 02:08 AM. Reason: Decided you should go even bigger. And changed semantics.
08-03-2010 , 02:10 AM
59k hands to go...


08-03-2010 , 02:10 AM
iirc my hud looks like

name | hands | AF
vpip | pfr | 3b | f3b
flop cbet | turn cbet | f2fcbet | f2tcbet
some steal stats

Also morning bbv
08-03-2010 , 02:12 AM
i'd double barrel there that deep dint.

but i'm an aggromonkey
08-03-2010 , 02:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
Probably the sickest cooler I've ever dished out. Ship that 500+ BB pot.

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $22.78
BTN: $45.69
SB: $53.41
BB: $110.38
Hero (UTG): $64.63
MP: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with A Q
Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, CO calls $0.85, BTN calls $0.85, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($4.25) K T J (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.25, CO calls $3.25, BTN folds, SB folds, BB raises to $11, Hero raises to $26, CO folds, BB raises to $89.88, Hero calls $37.78 all in

Turn: ($135.06) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($135.06) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $135.06
BB shows 9 Q (a straight, King high)
Hero shows A Q (a straight, Ace high)
Hero wins $132.06
(Rake: $3.00)
someone posted this hand earlier in the thread but he was on the recieving end
08-03-2010 , 02:15 AM
i was hoping i would magically start running better in august. so far it hasn't happened. im grinding my ass off and have 11k hands in already, and it is just a constant barrage of the most absurd coolers and suckouts. i know i just need to grind through the variance, but ive been on a cold streak for a long ass time now and its starting to get demoralizing.
08-03-2010 , 02:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
Don't disagree with the idea to 4bet, but because you're 170 BBs deep, your 4bet sizing does make it possible for villain to profitably flat your 4bet with a speculative hand. JTo isn't a profitable flat here but JTs probably is. Make it like $8.50.
Yeah I think you're right. Or I can just tighten my opening range against him if I expect him to ever flat a 4bet.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Comstizzle
i'd double barrel there that deep dint.

but i'm an aggromonkey
I think if I bet that particular flop I have to double barrel, otherwise I should c/f that flop.
08-03-2010 , 02:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dint
because I expected my 4 bet to get called. not

lol, he's 3betting 18% otb over 300 hands, and he's folded to 1/1 4bets, its a great spot to 4bet, we have a blocker and i expect him to ship/fold

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but yeah i shouldnt cbet, I kinda put him on random overs like KJ/QJ/AJ/KT type crap or pocket pairs, but its still a bad cbet, but that's the only mistake in the hand, i'll 4bet here all day against a guy 3betting 18%, until he starts flatting me ip
So dont open K9o
08-03-2010 , 02:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VithelTone
So dont open K9o
now that I know he isn't just push/folding vs 4bets I won't.
08-03-2010 , 02:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dint
now that I know he isn't just push/folding vs 4bets I won't.
You didnt need to know that in the first place.


Your first adjustment vs a guy whos 3betting you like crazy should be to tighten up your opening range.

K9o is still too loose imo and not a good hand to play back being deep.
08-03-2010 , 02:26 AM
waaaaaaah

goes against what i've been told so far
08-03-2010 , 02:26 AM
AA against quad sevens twice in half an hour, that has to be like a zillion to one shot


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($25)
Hero ($25.22)
CO ($28.89)
BTN ($31.87)

Dealt to Hero A A

fold, BTN raises to $0.75, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, BTN calls $1.75

FLOP ($5.10) 7 3 7

Hero bets $3.25, BTN calls $3.25

TURN ($11.60) 7 3 7 7

Hero bets $7.25, BTN raises to $26.12 (AI), Hero calls $12.22 (AI)

RIVER ($50.54) 7 3 7 7 6

BTN shows 7 K
(Pre 16%, Flop 91.4%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero shows A A
(Pre 84%, Flop 8.6%, Turn 0.0%)

BTN wins $48.54


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($28.84)
BB ($25)
UTG ($29.44)
Hero ($26.27)
BTN ($25)

Dealt to Hero A A

fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, fold, fold

FLOP ($1.85) 7 7 K

Hero bets $1.50, BTN calls $1.50

TURN ($4.85) 7 7 K 7

Hero bets $4.50, BTN calls $4.50

RIVER ($13.85) 7 7 K 7 J

Hero bets $19.52 (AI), BTN calls $18.25 (AI)

Hero shows A A
(Pre 78%, Flop 8.9%, Turn 0.0%)

BTN shows 7 8
(Pre 22%, Flop 91.1%, Turn 100.0%)

BTN wins $47.84
08-03-2010 , 02:28 AM
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($28.97)
BB ($32.79)
UTG ($13.69)
Hero ($35.10)
CO ($49.27)
BTN ($44.57)

Dealt to Hero K K

UTG raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $2, fold, fold, SB raises to $7.50, fold, fold, Hero raises to $35.10 (AI), fold

Hero shows K K

Hero wins $15.75

a guy with 2% 3bet over 800 hands, wtf did he 4b/f AK or QQ
08-03-2010 , 02:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dint
waaaaaaah

goes against what i've been told so far
lol what have you been told?
08-03-2010 , 02:34 AM
to 4bet light with Kx and Ax hands

and i find it to be very profitable, I much much much prefer doing this than tightening my opening range, I want to open whatever the hell i want when there is a fish to my right...

I'd rather leave the table if im going to adjust my range for some 3b happy reg

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I haven't seen a reg jam over my 4bet light like ever (when i'm 4betting for value)

so until I think a reg is going to get into a 5bet/jamming war with me I'm happy to 4bet light because I assume he will jam QQ+/AK and fold everything else. And I am always almost sitting with a fish to my right and I want to be opening very wide so I can play a lot of pots with him. Against someone 3betting 10%+ and folding everything but QQ+/AK it's actually profitable for me to be 4betting light, and I don't have to adjust my opening range.

Last edited by aesthetics; 08-03-2010 at 02:42 AM.
08-03-2010 , 02:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dint
waaaaaaah

goes against what i've been told so far
??
08-03-2010 , 02:36 AM
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Full Tilt
($25)
Hero ($50.57)

Dealt to Hero 7 K

Hero raises to $0.75, calls $0.50

FLOP ($1.50) 5 4 2

checks, Hero bets $1, calls $1

TURN ($3.50) 5 4 2 5

checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($3.50) 5 4 2 5 T

bets $2.75, Hero calls $2.75

shows 6 8
(Pre 40%, Flop 44.1%, Turn 29.5%)

Hero shows 7 K
(Pre 60%, Flop 55.9%, Turn 70.5%)

Hero wins $8.55

      
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