** Official August uBBV Thread ** - Page 191 - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

You will get exploited. I used to play 28/25 with a 68% steal at the same 2NL for a slightly smaller winrate, but now there is so many people 3betting when they realize how wide my opening range is in co and btn that my light 4bets have good success even with just a 36% steal.

08-15-2010 , 04:12 PM

#4752

subs

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well the top of your range is probably JJ/KJ and after that you dont really have anything that beats 2 pair or even Ax and you probably arent shoving KJ

08-15-2010 , 04:12 PM

#4753

srooney3

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Insta-4Bet

You will get exploited.

no u wont

08-15-2010 , 04:17 PM

#4754

Stackajawea

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Quote:

Originally Posted by subs

well the top of your range is probably JJ/KJ and after that you dont really have anything that beats 2 pair or even Ax and you probably arent shoving KJ

so basically sb should call most of his value range?

08-15-2010 , 04:19 PM

#4755

TheWizardOfOddz

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Quote:

Originally Posted by srooney3

no u wont

this

08-15-2010 , 04:20 PM

#4756

Insta-4Bet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by srooney3

no u wont

This is not pokerstars we're talking about.

08-15-2010 , 04:21 PM

#4757

srooney3

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i steal more than that at 50nl

08-15-2010 , 04:21 PM

#4758

RBlagojevich

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stackajawea

if you are sb what is your calling range assuming I am a std. 20/17 guy.

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $50.00
SB: $64.90
BB: $23.25
UTG: $156.70
MP: $147.00
Hero (CO): $51.60

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with XX
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.50) 5

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, SB calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.50) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($8.50) J

(2 players)
SB bets $8.50, Hero raises to $47.60 all in

QT, sets, mayyyyybe AK

08-15-2010 , 04:22 PM

#4759

TheWizardOfOddz

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it is 2nl, the lowest limit you can play besides play money, there is NO WAY you will get exploited by 99.5% of the players.

08-15-2010 , 04:22 PM

#4760

Stackajawea

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RBlagojevich

QT, sets, mayyyyybe AK

but would you ever get to the river w/QT if you are sb?

gets you thinking

08-15-2010 , 04:22 PM

#4761

subs

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stackajawea

so basically sb should call most of his value range?

should and would are 2 different things... plus i make the assumption that you double barrel QT and never value shove KJ (i think both of these are true though)

08-15-2010 , 04:23 PM

#4762

TheWizardOfOddz

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RBlagojevich

QT, sets, mayyyyybe AK

lol what

08-15-2010 , 04:27 PM

#4763

Stackajawea

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for those wanting to continue debating the hand feel free

for the results oriented crowd:

Spoiler:

08-15-2010 , 04:29 PM

#4764

Swiiftx

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stackajawea

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, SB calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.50) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($8.50) J

(2 players)
SB bets $8.50, Hero raises to $47.60 all in

All sets, 2pair hands.

08-15-2010 , 04:30 PM

#4765

Swiiftx

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Insta-4Bet

I think you are hallucinating.

08-15-2010 , 04:30 PM

#4766

Mcot

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A Sunday Afternoon cooler for your enjoyment.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

CO ($11.01)
Hero (Button) ($24.68)
SB ($10)
BB ($10.32)
UTG ($18.84)
UTG+1 ($9.94)
MP1 ($19.26)
MP2 ($7.54)
MP3 ($11.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K

, K

5 folds, CO bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.05, 2 folds, CO calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25) 2

, 5

, 8

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $2, CO raises to $9.96 (All-In), Hero calls $7.96

Turn: ($22.17) 6

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($22.17) 10

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $22.17 | Rake: $1.47

Results:
Hero had K

, K

(one pair, Kings).
CO had A

, K

(flush, King high).
Outcome: CO won $20.70

08-15-2010 , 04:30 PM

#4767

Insta-4Bet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWizardOfOddz

it is 2nl, the lowest limit you can play besides play money, there is NO WAY you will get exploited by 99.5% of the players.

I'll take a screen shot tonight when there is only 5 to 10 tables running.

08-15-2010 , 04:32 PM

#4768

Swiiftx

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stackajawea

for those wanting to continue debating the hand feel free

for the results oriented crowd:

Spoiler:

Did he call?

08-15-2010 , 04:32 PM

#4769

RBlagojevich

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stackajawea

but would you ever get to the river w/QT if you are sb?

gets you thinking

no you're right I would never, ever get to the river with QT.
maybe i'm feeling nitty right now but at the stakes i'm playing nobody ever bluff raises the river so i'm pretty sure i'd fold most 2 pair hands.

08-15-2010 , 04:32 PM

#4770

z0mgtiltz

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Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $30(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($3,340)
Hero ($1,840)
UTG ($2,545)
UTG+1 ($2,466)
CO ($1,575)
BTN ($2,535)

Dealt to Hero Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $90, Hero calls $60

FLOP ($180) 7

SB bets $120, Hero raises to $240, SB calls $120

TURN ($660) 7

SB checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($660) 7

SB bets $420, Hero raises to $1,510 (AI), SB calls $1,090

SB shows K

(Pre 75%, Flop 87.0%, Turn 95.5%)

Hero shows Q

(Pre 25%, Flop 13.0%, Turn 4.5%)

SB wins $3,680

I got slowrolled.

08-15-2010 , 04:32 PM

#4771

Stackajawea

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Swiiftx

Did he call?

Spoiler:

08-15-2010 , 04:33 PM

#4772

Swiiftx

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nh.

08-15-2010 , 04:35 PM

#4773

DaycareInferno

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i would have pretty much folded everything but the nuts

08-15-2010 , 04:36 PM

#4774

Batman1421

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stackajawea

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, SB calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.50) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($8.50) J

(2 players)
SB bets $8.50, Hero raises to $47.60 all in

Completely depends on how good i think you(villain) are. vs most im folding my entire range, vs some im calling all of it.

BTW guys ive never really thought of this in any great detail and was just wondering how you figure out what an optimal call % is when were bluffcatching and villain is bluffin x%?

DCI villain hasnt got nutted hands in his range like almost ever,