** Official August uBBV Thread ** - Page 281 - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

ptr is accurate enough to go off of. people who say its far off on them might have an agenda. yes it misses hands all the time, but if u play with any type of volume it will be good enough to go off of.

i play rush, which ptr doesnt track. it has me down 300 lifetime, nearly all of it from 2/4 LHE, when im really up quite a bit in cash games.

i think i have a case that its far off for me

08-24-2010 , 06:37 PM

#7003

Insta-4Bet

banned

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,150

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaycareInferno

i think its pretty terrible vs. anyone that isn't pretty terrible

How would you play back?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaycareInferno

i wish ptr was like sharkscope with the opting in thing, btw. then it would still be useful for people being able to prove their own play or check on a coach or whatever, but not for shaming people at the tables. ofc they have different self interest than me.

How do I opt out? Nvmd, I just figured it out.

08-24-2010 , 06:46 PM

#7004

e i pi

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Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,230

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWizardOfOddz

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $65.85
CO: $67.95
BTN: $50.00
SB: $38.85

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with XX
2 folds, BTN raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.25, Hero raises to $6.25, BTN calls $4.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($14.00) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($14.00) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $8.70, BTN requests TIME, BTN calls $8.70

River: ($31.40) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $17.55, BTN requests TIME, BTN calls $17.55

what do i have and what would you call with if you are the villain

Checking looks like 99-KK minus QQ. The turn bet looks like you have a diamond in your pair & you figure villian usually doesn't have an A here. I'd assume your firing the river w/your entire turn betting range on the brick. I'd call with any queen.

08-24-2010 , 06:47 PM

#7005

Krax

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,914

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWizardOfOddz

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($14.00) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $8.70, BTN requests TIME, BTN calls $8.70

River: ($31.40) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $17.55, BTN requests TIME, BTN calls $17.55

what do i have and what would you call with if you are the villain

given that he is unknown I dont think that you are using your image/leveling him on the flop, so I think that your can have either very weak Ax or KK (most probable imo). You might wake up with 78, 88, but I think you are betting bigger with that, since you cant rep much and its not crazy to assume that villain checked back AJ type hand on the flop. Also, you can def barrel twice like picked up FD, mb T9dx hand.

As for my calling range, against unknown reg A2+ (not that Im calling with that pre), maaaybe I may level myself into calling with KQ if Im a little bit tilted.

Against you Im calling with Qx+ basically

08-24-2010 , 06:57 PM

#7006

TheWizardOfOddz

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,180

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWizardOfOddz

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($14.00) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $8.70, BTN requests TIME, BTN calls $8.70

River: ($31.40) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $17.55, BTN requests TIME, BTN calls $17.55

what do i have and what would you call with if you are the villain

I had AJhh and was called by KQo. I think this is a good line to take in 3b pots because it is very deceptive and most villains pot control all of their 1pair hands on flop and only bet with draws, air or 2pr+

08-24-2010 , 07:03 PM

#7007

srooney3

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWizardOfOddz

i like b/c/b, but if this villian is this stupid, it doesnt matter

08-24-2010 , 07:05 PM

#7008

sevendeuc24

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,675

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWizardOfOddz

were you c/c flop?

08-24-2010 , 07:06 PM

#7009

TheWizardOfOddz

banned

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Quote:

Originally Posted by srooney3

i like b/c/b, but if this villian is this stupid, it doesnt matter

There was a few people itt that said they would call with Qx so.....

08-24-2010 , 07:07 PM

#7010

TheWizardOfOddz

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,180

Quote:

Originally Posted by sevendeuc24

were you c/c flop?

yes

08-24-2010 , 07:09 PM

#7011

srooney3

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWizardOfOddz

There was a few people itt that said they would call with Qx so.....

yeah but like u say, u cbet air so i like to bet the most when my range is the widest. the only Q i think ur vbetting, which is what ur line looks like, is KQ. at worst, u have KQ here imo given ur line.

c/b/c looks more "airy" so to speak than c/b/b

08-24-2010 , 07:09 PM

#7012

Krax

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,914

Quote:

Originally Posted by srooney3

i like b/c/b, but if this villian is this stupid, it doesnt matter

b/c/b is like the strongest line you can take in 3bet pot.

Expecting random nl50 to check Ax here is a mistake imo

08-24-2010 , 07:13 PM

#7013

srooney3

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when u dont cbet there, u have air that ur not continuing with, TT-AA, a Q, or an A

08-24-2010 , 07:13 PM

#7014

e i pi

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Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,230

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWizardOfOddz

giving the villian a free card with position isn't worth the occasional extra bet, imo.

08-24-2010 , 07:15 PM

#7015

chet22r

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,427

Quote:

Originally Posted by MDoranD

I don't think it is. Its like citing TMZ as a reference for a scientific paper. There good for discovering bots, but I rather leave all the other information off. I rather not have it give any of my information out without my consent.

08-24-2010 , 07:24 PM

#7016

Sc00by

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 4,485

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sc00by

Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $53.95
BTN: $174.55
SB: $68.20
Hero (BB): $57.20
UTG: $50.00
MP: $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with A

4 folds, SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.75, SB calls $3.25

Flop: ($9.50) 8

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7.50, SB raises to $19, Hero raises to $52.45, SB calls $33.45

Turn: ($114.40) 6

(2 players)

River: ($114.40) 7

(2 players)

Final Pot: $114.40
SB shows T

Hero shows A

SB wins $111.40
(Rake: $3.00)

[ ] Regs fold to 3bet OOP

Bump this.

Anyone else flatting this in villain shoes. Anyone else getting away post flop?

08-24-2010 , 07:31 PM

#7017

MDoranD

MDaddyD

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 10,288

Quote:

Originally Posted by chet22r

I don't think this is a good example at all. A better example for your case would be interviewing the sole survivor of a plane crash or train wreck or something. Sure he might get some of the details wrong, but for crying out loud hes the only one who actually was there and can provide you with more insight than any other source possibly can. Certainly your professor would allow him as a source/reference for your scientific paper.

We might as well forget about PTR ever allowing you to "opt-out". They make their living off of this info and opting out only hurts them. PTR has helped quite a few players too BTW.

08-24-2010 , 07:33 PM

#7018

Sc00by

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 4,485

Im with MDoranD. As much as PTR pisses me off, I think if you play decent volume sooner or later the numbers will even themselves out.

08-24-2010 , 07:37 PM

#7019

Hoagie

name is based on sandwich

Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,470

Why do people care if their numbers are right?

08-24-2010 , 07:40 PM

#7020

Sc00by

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 4,485

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoagie

Why do people care if their numbers are right?

For me, Im honest, its a pride thing, I want to be the best I can be. Simple as that really. I dont care if people can see my PTR, I would prefer they didnt, but when I look, I want it to be good. Dropping from 64 to 53 in one day where you win 4 BI then later drop 3BI and it records only the losing session is a bitch. I had a nice sexy graph going too, lol

08-24-2010 , 07:44 PM

#7021

Insta-4Bet

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,150

I can't put in the hours at this game that other people do. I spend 4-5 hours per day playing poker and about the same browsing the forums, each session is about an hour and then it starts to get old. I'd play longer but I've done a lot of damage to my back and neck sitting in this chair so much, I can only take an hour or so before I start having pain and get a headache.

ptr has seemed to be pretty dead-on accurate as far as my 100K hands of 2NL, I mean they miss some wins, but they also miss some losses so it kind of evens out, I think they catch at least 99% of my hands.

08-24-2010 , 07:48 PM

#7022

Batman1421

adept

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 976

I wish i had scouts PTR

08-24-2010 , 08:08 PM

#7023

Hoagie

name is based on sandwich

Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,470

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sc00by

You will just have to imagine the background singers

bud light would like to present real men of genius

Today we salute you Mr. Checks His Own PTR GUY.
You work hard and grind all day for the moment when you finally allow yourself to check to see if you got a new badge.

"triple sandbagger in your face chump"

You dropped 4BI and won 9 back but it didn't recognize you did it?

"I used to be a 63"

Sure you have your own graph that is 100% accurate, but you would rather bitch about this one.

"It only tracks my losses!"

So stand and be recognized Mr. Checks His Own PTR GUY

08-24-2010 , 08:14 PM

#7024

Sc00by

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 4,485

Feel the love...

08-24-2010 , 08:18 PM

#7025

dcredskins24

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,056

lol really?

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $9.32
BB: $25.00
UTG: $34.00
MP: $36.20
CO: $13.77
Hero (BTN): $34.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with 5

UTG raises to $0.85, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.85, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.05) J

(2 players)
UTG bets $2.05, Hero raises to $5, UTG calls $2.95

Turn: ($12.05) K

(2 players)
UTG bets $12.05, Hero raises to $28.40 all in, UTG calls $16.10 all in

River: ($68.35) Q

(2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $68.35
UTG shows Q

(a pair of Queens)
Hero shows 5

(three of a kind, Fives)
Hero wins $65.35
(Rake: $3.00)