hence my phrasing of it... but ok

and im not sure about saying its bad. it might b slightly -current ev but +overall ev

so you are advocating making a -ev call because you think it will create a beneficial image that will make this call +ev in the longrun ?

Yeah it has been pretty brutal. Makes me feel like I'll never get back past the micros at this rate.

Someday I will fly.

That's pretty awesome.

nope im advocating a call that i think MIGHT b slightly -ev (this is the part im not sure about) in order to make better decisions in the future

has nothing to do with my image

so you are calling for information ? too see how thin villain vbets ?


So you always call in a close spot against a unknown too gain info ?

it could b phrased like this yes. id type something out but i get the feeling ur gonna pick one thing out of it and say "zomg totatlly wrong whole thing is. ****** u r". overall i think calling here is at worst 0ev which could help make better decisions later

I just think he reps wayyyyy too narrow a range in this spot imo, hence my call, also river sizing helped some...

thanks for the comments btw...

yes i ALWAYS call in a close spot against an unknown to gain info....

lol people are scared of discussions

u got it. if ur not gonna b a dick about it ill post it, but i dont want to deal with some of ur normal bull****. let me know

Sick moves dawg...


IPoker Network $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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UTG: $99.32
CO: $85.68
BTN: $52.77
SB: $50.00
Hero (BB): $84.48

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with K K
UTG raises to $2.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $8.50, UTG calls $6

Flop: ($17.25) 8 K 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $12.93, UTG calls $12.93

Turn: ($43.11) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $27.50, UTG raises to $55, Hero raises to $63.05, UTG calls $8.05

River: ($169.21) 5 (2 players)

Final Pot: $169.21
UTG shows J 9
Hero wins $166.21
(Rake: $3.00)

i lost the url to that picture when i reformatted. somebody hook that up plz.

ok

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BTN: $24.40
SB: $50.79
Hero (BB): $30.49
UTG: $7.80
MP: $24.27
CO: $10.35

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 3 A
4 folds, SB raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) 5 T T (2 players)
SB bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($3.90) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero calls $3

River: ($9.90) K (2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls $5

Given betsizing by villian, I expect to be shown a rivered K or air here a lot vs. an unknown. The giant turn bet in my mind is also very nuts (T) or air in my mind as well. We need to be right ~25% of the time here on the river and I believe we are good here somewhere around 25% of time (this is why I am unsure if the call itself is - or + ev. If you think we are not good 25% of the time it's -, but I believe we are good here very close to 25% of the time, and probably closer to 30% of the time).

Now the main reason I like calling is to see how villain plays so I can play better against him in the future. This hand is full of betsizing tells (maybe timing tells) and how he plays board textures with specific hands. If he rivers a king here, I like to see how he played the hand with Kx. If he shows up with 77, then I can infer he gets scared on these kind of rivers, but he still can go for thin value. If he shows up with air here I can mark him as prob being pretty stupid. So I take a slightly -/0/slightly + ev spot and make it very +ev for the future.

double post

Thanks for the analysis. I was thinking Kx for a minute as well but I just dont give a random credit(or being dumb enough) to double barrel Kx here and then fire again when he binks on river. Also I really dont expect 77 or pairs of that nature(under TT) to ever be in his range. Given that I was giving him a range of either Tx, boat, or JJ+. Problem with JJ+ is that JJ/QQ check river and KK goes for more value on the river imo. So that leaves like AA, Tx, and some boats. I dont think villain is barreling that thin and Kx just isnt a large portion of his range imo.

So I agree with a lot of your analysis but I think we are good wayyy more than 30%.

so like i said before, why would you ever fold in a close spot against a unknown villain ? You gain information on how villain plays at every showdown so i dont know why you acted like a dick when i posted this same question. Interested too here your thoughts because i dont agree with your opinion and i think you will level yourself into calling way too many bets.

saw this in ssnl

omg

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=67d_1176262365

this is fake right

lol at 1.07

I won't fold in many close spots vs. a complete unknown. Most villains are not unknown in my mind as you should almost always have some sort of information on them. Why are you against calling here?

You're post was not asking a question. It was showing me that I was wrong. I would have responded differently to a question.

why aren't pairs in his range? he doesn't have a T almost always when he bets like he does imo.

Just for you wizard.


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exido (SB): $25.00
GonnaRaiseYou (BB): $51.32
Hero (UTG): $39.03
TheWizardOfOddz (MP): $50.50
Boozer 7 (CO): $25.00
regular_donk (BTN): $25.91

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with K Q
Hero raises to $1, TheWizardOfOddz calls $1, 4 folds

Flop: ($2.35) 5 T A (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, TheWizardOfOddz calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.35) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, TheWizardOfOddz calls $4

River: ($13.35) 3 (2 players)
Hero requests TIME, Hero bets $2, TheWizardOfOddz folds

Final Pot: $13.35
Hero wins $12.69
(Rake: $0.66)

LOLOLOLOLOL

your actual hand

No.

What did you fold?