Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($21.86)
BB ($29.09)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($25.60)
Hero ($27.65)
BTN ($35.83)

Dealt to Hero A K

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.60, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $1.85

FLOP ($5.55) Q 4 7

UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3, UTG+1 raises to $7.50, Hero raises to $25.05 (AI), UTG+1 calls $15.50 (AI)

TURN ($51.55) Q 4 7 8

RIVER ($51.55) Q 4 7 8 Q

UTG+1 shows Q Q
(Pre 54%, Flop 74.4%, Turn 84.1%)

Hero shows A K
(Pre 46%, Flop 25.6%, Turn 15.9%)

UTG+1 wins $48.98

I really hate these spots

edit: well not spots, but when a villain decides to call oop with a premium -.-

If we weren't UTG i would bet, as is i like a check back

anybody watch Entourage? i didn't start watching until season 5 was done so i just watched them all back to back. watching one episode per week is total bs.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($26.81)
BB ($25)
UTG ($36.55)
UTG+1 ($28.48)
Hero ($25.40)
BTN ($25.80)

Dealt to Hero A K

UTG calls $0.25, fold, Hero raises to $1.25, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $1

FLOP ($2.85) 4 7 A

UTG checks, Hero bets $2, UTG calls $2

TURN ($6.85) 4 7 A 9

UTG checks, Hero bets $5, UTG calls $5

RIVER ($16.85) 4 7 A 9 9

UTG bets $14, Hero folds

UTG wins $16.01

against a 52/7 pretty easy fold right

Also brian i have played 650 hands with you at 100nl and you are running 3bi above ev. Rigged imo.

wizard, people are bad.

first few seasons are the best

Yea entourage gets completely **** after the first 3-4 seasons.

I'd call.

i didn't think it was that many and thought most of them was on one table one night. the only hand i really remember was 3b vs you utg with something i don't really remember and you flatting QQ and playing it very passively to allow me to take a really ******ed line on a low board.

for the love of god... saying how much above or below EV is the most useless stat known to man... its basically worthless

example hand that shows the ******edness of it:

everyone is 100bb deep except 50bb fish
utg opens to 3, fish calls, we call in sb with 99, bb calls
flop 224r... we have a read the fish will stack off with any pair
utg checks, fish bets, we raise, bb folds, utg folds, fish shoves, we call
he has 72s
turn is a 9

in this scenario we are running waaaaaaaaaay over EV

same scenario except now we just call the flop bet and get it in on the turn or river... now we are running at essentially even EV

2 standard scenarios... one shows that we hit a 2 outter in our EV calculation and the other shows we dodged a 1 outter with 1 card to come or just got it in with the other guy drawing dead

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($26.89)
BB ($60.18)
UTG ($26.21)
CO ($27.33)
Hero ($37.34)

Dealt to Hero T K

UTG raises to $1, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, fold, fold, UTG calls $1.50

FLOP ($5.35) 4 3 K

UTG checks, Hero checks

TURN ($5.35) 4 3 K 7

UTG bets $4, Hero calls $4

RIVER ($13.35) 4 3 K 7 K

UTG bets $9, Hero calls $9

UTG shows 6 5
(Pre 38%, Flop 37.1%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero shows T K
(Pre 62%, Flop 62.9%, Turn 0.0%)

UTG wins $29.79

this guy has folded to 4/4 3bets in the 200 hands i have on him for this session, I have not 3bet him and my 3bet was 2.4 for the session

why why why

Depends on a lot of stuff

whats his wtsd, do we have history from the last few orbits, how does he view us, whats his preflop range, is he prone to hero call

dont try to justify being up 75bi in equity lifetime.

solid job checking when ahead and putting money in when behind!

if i knew all of this i would not post the hand obv

then there basically is no real correct answer. I kind of like the info of checking back and knowing that i am probably not getting called quite enough to make it that +EV profitable versus the number of times i am getting shoved on/called by better.

If we get AA vs KK AIPF and we win, isn't that running above EV, cos we obv should only be winning ~80% of the pot anyways.

everytime u win except when you are 100% or 0%, you are running above EV.

Ev is just one parameter to measure how are you running. It doesnt even tell half the story or turns any losing into a winniing player longterm.

Its not useless but people tend to put more focus on it than they should

yeah we've had that discussion before. EV is obv gay as it doesn't show what i can feel when playing like the other night where i had 3 flopped fh counterfeited by the river, several flopped straights run out 4 monotone and saw something like 12 mono flops a good number of which killed action .

someone needs to make a formula for graphing a wider range of ****overs imo

there's just way too many variables and the right play depends on your opponent so unfortunately there is no way to do that. What is right against a donk is bad against a reg and so forth...

if there was a program that could accurately calculate how you were running, it would also be easily converted into an unbeatable bot

do you think the check back is ok? seeing as he folded to 4/4 3bets so far I assumed he'd have a range TT+/AQ+