isnt this like too much?

Not all money in the middle is "dead money"

having these stats on wsop/other poker tv shows is way worse imo

really? i'm 45% or better against top pair hands, and 30% against any non-Ace made flush. The pot is $5 and I have $10 left in my stack so there's enough equity right there I would think. So it's a flip if I get stacks in on the flop, and if there's any slim possibility of fold equity i would think I should be happy to take it.

The all-in guy was a fish with no stack left so he can have like anything

I'm willing to admit you know more than i do... Tell me where I'm going wrong here.

How? they usually have it for a ridiculous small sample size, don't they?

cause its only a matter of time before fish wanna find out more about these stats and hear about HEM/PT...

maybe im a pessimist but i think it'd be pretty bad for the games

meglooo, games are gonna be dead soon enough anyway, its pointless worrying about stuff like this. There is just too much money in it, no way around it. Even nl5 regs know about squeezing, use pt/hem, read forums, discuss hands ffs

First of all you're UTG and you get 3bet by CO, I don't see him bluffing here ever. The fact that he's a fish makes it more likely he have a very good hand here imo. So if he do it for value he'll have (I assume) JJ/QQ/KK/AA/AK it's a tight range but fish like those cards and there's a difference between fish and maniacs. Most fish aren't naturally maniacs.

So if we put CO on that range I would fold pre because we're looking to hit twopair pretty much and the pot is to big to "play" postflop so you're playing your cards.
KhQc got 32.5% equity against that range.
Also I'd expect CO to never bluff here with a worse hand, therefore I'd check and hopefully it checks around. I don't hate a lead that much, but it's really hard to B/C and be happy about it and you don't need to bet much at all if you want to lead but it's gonna be tricky anyway.
It's a tricky hand, I'll give you that, but I'd probably fold pre or C/F this flop.
(I'm not saying I'm right here, don't think I've ever been in this position, but that's my thoughts about it atm)

lol yea, makes me mad i didnt get into poker like 5 years ago

I'd say for every 5 new fishes perhaps 1 try to properly learn the game and decide to get HEM. We'll I don't mind that guy and I sure don't mind his 4 friends.

Fredron, even if it is so, that one reg is prob gonna multitable. Plus rake, thats a big one. Plus hu tables, where fish pretty much give away money to bumhunters with no additional circulation of cash.

Megloo, I mean, we cant really complain. Jungleman got into the game fairly late too (2008 amirite?), Imfromsweden, donkpredator, gc.

cry moar fish.


Seriosuly though, that's not going to happen. Even if they do find out about some shiz, they'll just implement it wrong.

The way I see it, we wont(well we shouldn't) still be at uNL, so if these guys do get into the game properly, they will start off as losers -> BE players -> slight winners and maybe big winners. But they'll still only be winners at their limit, then they'll move up and take shot at higher stakes which they prob wont be able to beat for as much (if at all). That money will be donated into the pool at that stake.

Basically all the money moves upwards, so if you're always moving up then all these guys getting into the games is great because you'll always be one step ahead. Yes it wont be as simple as taking money off fish but bad regs have inifinte BR's. Like in HU at the moment, would I prefer to play a fish at one table or a regfish over four. Obv Ill play the reg all day cos he has tons of BI's and will keep reloading and also has tons of leaks. Sure he'll lose his money slower but you'll still get it eventually.

/rant

i did and it makes me mad i didn't get into 2+2 until about a year ago

looks pretty alive to me

100% disagree, games will never be dead.

100% agree. Games are only gonna die with some drastic change in online gaming regulations completely kills them.

tony, you really dont like me, do you?

to your point
Obv the strongest will survive. Problem is, there is just so much edge you can have on reg/anyone who is in it to win money. If nothing else, he is much more likely to quit you/table that he is -ev on. Poker economy needs pure fish, someone who deposits and doesnt really expect to get the money back. HS scene is obvious proof: sure, some guys are better than most of the rest, but they need pure fish at most table in order for games to run, otherwise the weaker guys will quit.

More decent players=more pure fish needed. Legislation today just doesnt let enough fish to come in. Europe is probably about to shut down too (except for UK prob, IDK whats going on there). Other regions are fairly poor, which means more potentional regs, less fish.

I'd love to be wrong, but I just dont see it. But Im just some unl ******, so w/e

If u saw the edit line on my original post about getting a coach, it said "Tough love obv". There was no hate or malice in it, just cold hard facts.

As for "Cry moar fish", that was obviously just messing, as indicated by the incorrect spelling in "moar."

Dont be so insecure.

I do dislike the negative attitude though.

The sign of a fallen warrior. Btw, you are showing symptons of crazychip syndrom, you should get it checked up. Let the doctors prescribe some rungood for you, usually does the work.

owned

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): $9.14
SB: $5.00
BB: $4.67
UTG: $4.80
CO: $6.03

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with K K
UTG raises to $2.65, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9.04, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.15 all in

Flop: ($9.67) T T 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($9.67) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($9.67) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $9.67
Hero mucks K K
UTG shows A A (two pair, Aces and Tens)
UTG wins $9.19
(Rake: $0.48)

+1

Poker economy needs people who keep on depositing. Rake takes a lot and everyone can't be a shark. Sure we are all bad and we are fish when we try to move up etc, but if we use some BR management we aren't really bringing any money to the poker economy. Even the regs that are BE with rakeback take money away from the economy.

We need people who deposit to cover for the rake. If they aren't there, the strong regs will eat the weak regs and rake will eat everyone.

So. I do agree that the pure fish are needed. They feed the bad regs and all the way up the chain to Gman etc. Without the pure fish there are no games in teh long run.

That said, I don't think the pure fish will disappear. People want to gamble and governmenst aren't going to be able to stop them from gambling any more than they can stop them from drinking.

whats crazychip syndrom? Isnt that the guy who played like 700k hands of nl5 with some crazy winrate? Im not running that bad atm.


tony, fwiw I really am very insecure, even IRL. But I kinda learnt to talk about it openly and make jokes about my insecurity, prob as defense mechanism. Doesnt work through the interwebz though.

yawn


Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em $0.20 Ante - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $123.20
BB: $213.50
UTG: $104.70
Hero (MP): $200.00
CO: $202.50
BTN: $235.85

Pre Flop: ($2.70) Hero is MP with A J
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 3 folds, BB calls $2

Flop: ($7.70) 3 7 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB raises to $13, Hero calls $9

Turn: ($33.70) 9 (2 players)
BB bets $19, Hero calls $19

River: ($71.70) K (2 players)
BB bets $66, Hero calls $66

Final Pot: $203.70
BB shows 2 A (a pair of Sevens)
Hero shows A J (a pair of Sevens)
Hero wins $200.70
(Rake: $3.00)

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you should've used this example in your 3k post, gooner