I know, I'm just playing

like read?

then you tell me to fold turn, I disagree and show you a range I put villain on

you just state you think the range is wrong, i ask you to present a more accurate range and your reply is "whatever dint you obviously don't want help"

right....

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like come on, who is the one that is really "always right"

also this.

and in my video thread I was very thankful for your advice and didn't at all take on an "i'm right, you're wrong" attitude


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You need to realize when you say something I'm not just going to immediately say ok comstizzle must be right so I'll just memorize this situation and play the hand as such in the future. I argue so I can get your reasoning out of you so that then it makes sense.

Eg. In the previous hand earlier with my AK call down, originally I disagreed with you, before you had your "whatever you played the hand optimally" I had actually posted in my "Poker Goals & Challenges" thread that I believed folding flop was now the best option. If I had have just taken your advice straight away, I wouldn't know the reasoning. However, because I argued I managed to get it out of you that if he plays his draws aggro, it's a really bad spot for me to call down. Had I just accepted that my hand was misplayed originally and not argued, I wouldn't have received this advice.

I play hands in a certain way because I believe them to be the most profitable, once you say "you played that had bad", I need to find out why and I do this by presenting my thought process and explaining why I took that line. This doesn't mean I think you're wrong, it just means I can't see why your line is better yet.

fold river?

Poker Stars $30+$3 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t40/t80 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t3468 43.35 BBs
BTN: t980 12.25 BBs
SB: t2675 33.44 BBs
BB: t4517 56.46 BBs
UTG: t5564 69.55 BBs
Hero (UTG+1): t4605 57.56 BBs
MP1: t7174 89.67 BBs
MP2: t6195 77.44 BBs

Pre Flop: (t120) Hero is UTG+1 with K 9
1 fold, Hero raises to t210, MP1 calls t210, 5 folds

Flop: (t540) 5 4 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t240, Hero calls t240

Turn: (t1020) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t640, Hero calls t640

River: (t2300) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t1120, Hero calls t1120

kids

cam, fold pre lol. why'd we c/c flop?

I aint good enough to fold this since you played this hand really weird.

what the fcuk is this fcuking bullsh*t
Poker Stars $30+$3 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t40/t80 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: t3468 43.35 BBs
UTG+2: t900 11.25 BBs
MP1: t2635 32.94 BBs
MP2: t4357 54.46 BBs
CO: t5444 68.05 BBs
Hero (BTN): t2275 28.44 BBs
SB: t8399 104.99 BBs
BB: t6115 76.44 BBs
UTG: t4890 61.12 BBs

Pre Flop: (t120) Hero is BTN with 8 8
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t240, 2 folds, MP2 calls t240, 1 fold, Hero calls t240, SB calls t200, 1 fold

Flop: (t1040) Q 8 T (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets t700, MP2 folds, Hero raises to t2035 all in, SB calls t2035, UTG+1 raises to t3228 all in, SB calls t1193

Turn: (t9531) A (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t9531) J (3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t9531
UTG+1 shows K K (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Hero shows 8 8 (three of a kind, Eights)
SB shows K J (a straight, Ten to Ace)
SB wins t1193
UTG+1 wins t1193
SB wins t3573
UTG+1 wins t3572

lol gooner ul, railed your tourney a bit while watching a movie and just seen how u busted. that guy to your left was running ridiculously hot

I don't play tournaments but I think you should fold pre.

Once you get to the flop I just bet :\ you have TPGK on a drawy board.

Once you check flop I think you have to call turn.

Once you get to river I think it's close and I'd need reads on villain, probably folding though.

nit. its pretty standard i think. we've got so much showdown value but we have to b/f the flop, and its the kinda flop people will raise more often that call. my hands way too strong for that, so i can get him to valueown himself with worse 9x, smaller PP's, bluff draws and spazz out with air

isn't it more of a question of how good he is? i.e. how depolarised he is on the river

http://www.pokertableratings.com/ful...h/0.10-0.25-NL

Nice, EATITPAL. I'm on there too, but won't be outing my SN .

sick job george mate, you're on fire

I would bet call this in a donkament but this is besides then point. This line is really bad against most people because if they bet 3streets you have no idea what villain has so your default is most likely to just click call even though it probably is -ev. Especially on a board like this when the board can run out so bad for you, betting the flop is way better than check guessing.

nice george

Nice one George. You are probably the best player at 25nl. AND IT IS NOT EVEN A CLOSE ONE.

yeah nice george, I feel bad now because you asked me how I was going and I selfishly didn't return the favor!

nice work mate, killing it

i disagree with alot of what youve just posted because most of it is assumption based i,e, thats hes 3barrelling here with X% of his range with X being very high. thats simply not the case.

that being said, i think my river call is pretty bad

It's difficult with no reads on villain. Against an unknown all we can do is make assumptions. I'd assume the average villain bets his flush draws and worse nines on the flop and turn then give up on the river.

If the villain is more aggro he might be inclined to bet the scare card with his missed draws.

I just agree it's easier to bet flop, because without reads this hand can become really difficult to play.

no i am not saying he will ever barrel you, i am saying if he bets 3streets you have no clue what he has and betting is 100x better than check guessing

you disgust me

obviously i understand why people are advocating betting the flop, betting the flop is undoubtedly +ev. however, i think taking this passive line is more +ev in some spots, and im not looking for the easier option, im looking for the one where i can get most value.

i take this line w/hands like AK on Kxxdry alot of the time when im OOP to balance vs the times i have to c/f and because its so unorthodox it often induces mega valueowning and spazz. admittedly K9 on 945hh is way more vulnerable but whatever, im happy making postflop decisions and this idea of check guessing is just silly. you can still deduce ranges from betsizing/board texture, check deciding maybe, but thats fine.

again, i'm not trying to be like 'OH IM RIGHT' because i agree betting flop and turn is definitely good, but i think being able to defend something thats not 'std' is important, and my reasons for taking the line are fine i think. however, i do think my river call is pretty bad

Nice work George keep it up bud

Also nice work cheryl but you gotta out that sn pal

Also @ gooner i think everything in that hand is good sometimes in cash but in a tournament it's levels that just aren't requierd, they're all fish valuebet the **** out of them, also the river is most definitely a fold