he had

lol because i am curious

Earlier you claim you didnt have much of a read on villain. Now you give him credit to think all this? Cmon man you are overthinking big time here, and Im a Subs fan. I gotta agree with the masses.

Well you didnt give any info, soi it depends how wide villain defends BB.


Most people wont c/r anything but TT here (or JJ if he doesnt 3bet it), str are also possible but most would bet the river themselves. A5 is not in this type of villain range, but its few combos anyway.

His air is missing draws maybe some combodraw with a weakish SD value turned into a bluff (TKdd, JKdd etc) but most would just call once you check the flop.

Im just saying that he reps a really, really narrow range and most villains are just not capable of it, they have a boat here, yes, TT or JJ. They would c/c or c/f SD value, not try to bluff you off Ax that checked flop.

If for some reason you were good here, i would sure make a note.

subs, why did you move to ftp?

i didnt... but i started playing 100nl on there with a $175 roll lol... solid bankroll management ftw

also, one thing is bugging me.

We went out tonight. One guy got really drunk (he doesnt usually drink, so he didnt know when to stop). After a while, he was just sitting at the bar, looking totally dead and basically motionless. Another friend was looking after him. I came to check on them and security (bodyguard, whatever), employed by club, was beating the **** out my drunk friend. He was just sitting there, while the guy was kicking him (using his knee ffs) and screaming to gtfo. At this point Im obviously shocked (never been in a fight). The bodyguard is obviously totally ******ed, but also like twice my size/weight. WTF can/should I do besides watching? Is it the right play to get between them and get my ass kicked too? That **** looked horrendous, even unknown to us girls were crying while looking at them...

Fwiw friend started puking blood and after a while was completely covered by blood. They kicked him out and we called ambulance and cops. But, given the fact that we were all drunk, the ****** is going to get away with that.

Protect the friend. Pick up a bar stool and hit the bouncer with a 3/4 swing to the side of his head while hes preoccupied. When he hits the floor you grab your friend and run out the door.

100% solid advice imo

not possibility. The only thing I might have used is glass, but that seems to be dangerous+there were a lot of people around. Also, we'd have to pass another 3-5 bodyguards. Also, that would be assault and god knows would they charge me (again, he is ******, but also sober employee. Im drunk student and not even resident of the country I live in). Also, my friend basically couldnt walk at this point, probably even before the fight, so running off is not probable. Not to mention the fact that bodyguard was ****ing huge and I havent been in a fight, so Im not too sure how the **** would I go about it.

Afaik the only way to protect my friend at that point was to let him hit me and hope that he cools off or smth like that. Talking was not a real possibility, the one guy who stayed with drunk friend apparently tried to talk to the bodyguard before he got to the drunk friend (I wasnt there at this point) and got his ass kicked too (concussion) with no real explanation why.

Still, I kinda just stood there for like 30 seconds and I feel really bad because of it. Tbh I was so shocked by the whole scene that I wasnt able to think

Really dont see how their could be any other better reaction than what i said. This is your friend right? Hes getting the **** beat of him and obv doesnt deserve it. Do what i said and youll be out of there in under a minute and noone in the bar will be able to remember who you guys were....theyre all drinking and the sober bouncer has a big ass headache.

Love to know how you actually handled it?

If he's completely out of control, you'll most likely need backup from another bouncer/manager. The bouncer doesn't run the bar - he works for it. Complain to the boss.

This will take time

so, you can just pull your friend out. Unless he's holding him, just grab your friend and drag him out of the bar.

Or, try to stop the bouncer, tell him you've got your friend and will take him out.

But it sounds like bouncer wanted to flex his dick and show he could beat the **** out of a helpless drunk person.

I don't know how rules are there, but here in the US, you can press charges.

What you should do is befriend bar staff when you go somewhere. Go there multiple times and be friendly and talkative, get to know them. If you work in a restaurant, bring them food. Tip really really well.

This will get the bar staff on your side, ensuring that you wait less time to get a drink, and if anything goes down, the staff will have your back.

But i guess i could see that if you are like a midget or something you might not take the route i prescribed.

Also, if you do this, it is imperative that you pay cash as you go. Doran's route doesn't work if you leave a card for a tab. they know who you are.

Also, my method lets you fight in the bar. You just are always on the bouncers' side. They'll let you fight people, and not throw you out.

And it can get you free drinks. The bouncers bring us shots all the time. We'll do 2-3 shots, drink 4-5 big draft beers and our tabs will be like $5.

In my defense, I got really none experience in this situation. You're probably right, but..idk, guess Im just inadequate in this spot.

Well, bodyguard was done before I could process/realize wtf is going on. All of us were told to gtfo, we helped him to get out, I walked through the club and found the rest of our group. Called ambulance, cops arrived, talked to them, apparently not much we can do, guy seems to be ok (as in no permanent damage). Called parents, went to hospital, realized that there is no point in filing any kind of complaint to police (will rethink tmr prob), talked for an hour (the rest of us), went home.

Fair point udburky, i guess being a poker player/gambler i usually just carry cash and dont usually "leave open tabs".

I hate carrying cash, and if I have it, it's for stuff like gambling, pool, fun stuff. Plus, I hate having to do a transaction every time I get a drink. I'd rather just run a tab and settle it at the end.

I'd file a complaint. What if this guy does this like once a week and gets away with it because nobody complains? What if he seriously hurts someone next time? Filing a complaint will get it investigated and maybe someone will tell him to chill out.

Im like 168cm (5' 6")

The thing is, that ****er had his back turned to me. I had no option of getting to my friend (I'd have to get through the security guy) and I wouldnt be able to swing anything semibig, cuz couple of girls/guys were standing nearby. Im not claiming that I thought of that option at the moment, I didnt.

He was not bartender, we tip really well and never had any problems with anyone basically. These guys just stand at the entrance, check tickets and give stamps, so the only contact with them is like 5 seconds long.

We could prob press charges, but:
beaten friend was really drunk.
The only real witness am prob I (all the other people were unknowns to us) but I seen prob the second half only. Other guys would have to lie. And still, anyone would probably assume that we were drunk, so I dont think anything significant would happens, esp since it seems that there are none permanent consequences.

We pay cash only, noone knew our names. But we are regs there and will prob end up there at some point again. No such thing as open tab in this club

You should go back in and talk to the people you know about what happened.

It doesn't matter if he was drunk, if he's not causing problems, the bouncer should not hit him like this.

sry to change subjects, but whos gonna stake me at 100nl ?

you just let another belligerent drunk be beat the **** out by a neanderthal ... gj

subs ran into TT obv

bottle or barstool to hte domepiece imo.
+1 to doran

If theres no music, grab a chair and break it on the floor, try to make a loud noise with it (firing a gun to the air works better, but i assume you didnt have one or you will be asking for advice on where to bury a bouncer). If theres music on, just go to the dj and hit stop yourslef (or ask him if hes nice)

They will stop fighting when they hear that, when they stop, approach them in a calmed motion and say something like "we are leaving, sorry for the inconveniance" Grab your friend and leave.

I did the chair thing, i broke it over a table, they all turned to look at me, i calmly said that and we left no problem

another effective one is to get a glass and hold it by the bass and then smash it into the top of the glass into bouncers face. if ur lucky u'll take out an eye.