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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): $115.15
SB: $387.55
BB: $124.50
UTG: $48.60
CO: $117.50

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with Q

2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 1 fold, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($5.50) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($5.50) 5

(2 players)
BB bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50

River: ($16.50) 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $12, BB raises to $48, Hero calls $36

Depends on the player, but this is a boat for the vast majority

08-07-2010 , 10:50 PM

#2228

subs

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWizardOfOddz

is villain a reg ? unknown ?

i have no idea... ive put in like 350 hands on FTP

08-07-2010 , 10:50 PM

#2229

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VithelTone

Depends on the player, but this is a boat for the vast majority

with what 2 cards?

08-07-2010 , 10:51 PM

#2230

TheWizardOfOddz

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VithelTone

Depends on the player, but this is a boat for the vast majority

how can villain have a boat

08-07-2010 , 10:52 PM

#2231

TheWizardOfOddz

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Quote:

Originally Posted by subs

i have no idea... ive put in like 350 hands on FTP

whats his name ? what is his stats ?

08-07-2010 , 10:55 PM

#2232

Swiiftx

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Matt Hughes!

08-07-2010 , 10:55 PM

#2233

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not gonna give you his name... but he was like 18/15/5 5% 3 bet after like 50 hands

08-07-2010 , 10:56 PM

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Seems like a really easy fold, why aren't you betting the flop?

Edit: OK saw your reasons for c/b flop, yea I think not betting flop is pretty bad.

As for why he c/rs so big, its probably because he feels you either have a hand that will call the c/r or you don't. Making the c/r smaller isn't going to make you magically say "Oh well he made it small so ill def call with my A6 now"

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08-07-2010 , 10:57 PM

#2235

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subs, i don't like it. He has to have complete air. Yes sometimes it looks like you're just betting draws that missed on the river, but when he has showdown value he's gonna be c/calling rahter than c/raising. I find that at 100nl some regs might be smart enough and realize that you do have nothing here some % of the time, but they would rather bluffcatch you than to rebluff, making you fold almost everything.

but i dont care if villain is 10/7 you need to be cbetting that flop with everything

08-07-2010 , 10:58 PM

#2236

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obviously i dont usually check the flop in this spot... jesus

08-07-2010 , 11:01 PM

#2237

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Quote:

Originally Posted by subs

obviously i dont usually check the flop in this spot... jesus

do you understand how much harder it makes playing this hand because you checked back flop?

You don't have enough reads to check this back.

Now you're playing guessing games hoping he is on the 3rd level that you almost never have anything here that can call a c/r and that he can show up with ATC and be profitable once you bet the river.

08-07-2010 , 11:02 PM

#2238

TheWizardOfOddz

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checking in general is usually always bad readless in most situations.

08-07-2010 , 11:02 PM

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im really just mostly curious about what kind of range you think HE has... i mean his line just makes no sense to me and when things dont make sense i usually just call out of curiosity

i really just dont know why he would c/r value hands on the river... i dont know why he would c/r bluff the river... and i dont know why he would c/r and turn his hand into a bluff on the river GIVEN MY LINE

08-07-2010 , 11:02 PM

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fattony7891

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Quote:

Originally Posted by subs

obviously i dont usually check the flop in this spot... jesus

Lol you always seem to get heated when people give you advice on hands. Why even bother posting the hand?

08-07-2010 , 11:04 PM

#2241

TheWizardOfOddz

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what did he have subs ?

08-07-2010 , 11:05 PM

#2242

Insta-4Bet

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gg spraggy. I played horrible and ran hot as ****.

08-07-2010 , 11:05 PM

#2243

fattony7891

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWizardOfOddz

what did he have subs ?

Its a reverse level, the villain had air.

08-07-2010 , 11:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fattony7891

Lol you always seem to get heated when people give you advice on hands. Why even bother posting the hand?

because im curious about the river? if i bet the flop 95% of the time but post a hand where i check it... it doesnt mean that i need advice on the flop?

ok maybe betting flop 100% is more optimal than 95%... but i really dont think i do anything 100% of the time besides try to get all the money in with the nuts

08-07-2010 , 11:06 PM

#2245

Spraggy

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Calm down kids. I was only checking. I did fold.

gg nmn... do we know why you have a gimmick yet?

08-07-2010 , 11:07 PM

#2246

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Quote:

Originally Posted by subs

you're not asking coherent questions. Think about the kinds of hands you have on the turn a majority of the time.

so you have to valuebet every Ax, and bluff every missed draw that somehow didnt bet the flop once you get to the river like this. Sometimes you just check back KK that isn't even calling a bet anyway.

On the highest level that i would expect out of a 100nler it doesnt matter what he shows up with. He's wayy profitable once you take this line on the flop.

08-07-2010 , 11:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by subs

because im curious about the river? if i bet the flop 95% of the time but post a hand where i check it... it doesnt mean that i need advice on the flop?

ok maybe betting flop 100% is more optimal than 95%... but i really dont think i do anything 100% of the time besides try to get all the money in with the nuts

You know how we always shout at fish where they will post a hand played in a way that people pretty much just don't do like they limp/call AA pre and then the flop comes K96, they donk the flop, someone jams and they ask wtf do I do?

Well yea nobody should play the hand that way so discussing past the PFmistake is pointless.

Yeah, pretty much the same thing.

08-07-2010 , 11:11 PM

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what im saying is he cant expect me to bet the river very often... so it makes little sense to take this line with a strong hand... it makes slightly more sense to take this line with a complete bluff that decided to give up on the river but sprung on the chance to win the money from a thin value bet or bluff from me... and i guess in the same sense it makes some sense to turn a hand into a bluff because my thin value bets will beat most of his check/calling range if i do decide to value bet thin