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So we already suspect;

Iddqdd55;



d3xxtr



amalgamer;



were banned for using some kind of software.
I had an hour of time, so decided to do some digging. I found these accounts, all of which appear to have crushed, then suspciously disappeared. obviously there are some anomalies, but there are some obvious trends with above and below. Furthermore, the research method I used turned up a lot of similar accounts still playing.
I've noted these accounts down but not posting for obvious reasons.

















If anyone legit wants to know how I found these/ the names of those who are very suspect still playing, pm me. Got an ACL op tomorrow so not going to be around much after that for a while but would hope someone else could do some more comaprisons between these guys/ those still playing.

Golden_fiish is/was an awful HU player. Would be surprised if he was a bot and if he ever beat any regs at HU. I guess his style could beat fish though.

I'd be much more wary of the regs with consistent volume too.

29 fold to turn cbet is the universal bot stat

You can safely cross w1gan from this list hes been playing since party days and stopped. Had a rather popular blog on strategy

How does that stop from being a bot?

Let's say you speak russian. You're ***** tired of bots. You're tired of poker.

You get in contact with russians and offer them a well known account for their winning bots. You are now retired.

All his postflop stats are the exact same as all the bot.. massive flop and tunr AFQ, drop to 20 on the river. Im sure some secrets stats are the same as well.

so just got shown/told something incredibly odd about @nolog...

his iso in MP vs a UTG limper is the exact same to the decimal point as his 3b% from that position (he has no call range)

he also, when facing 1 limper who isnt SB whilst in the bb has approx 4% iso of hands. (this one is still confusing as fk because why wouldn't you raise more than 4%?) apparently if you use the same filter for most/all regs..theyre all 15+

his iso stats from CO+BTN is only marginally higher than 10 and nothing like other regs

the man literally gives 0 fks about fish it seems which is just not seen by any player ive seen.

Especially his AFqs are v dif from all others.

They normally always have 50 50 lower than 30

probably just has been trained to use the software that tells him what to do, does it for him and the software doesn't distinguish fish.

If i had to bet on someone, i'd bet on @nalog. He is the oddest player i've ever played against. Lots of weird plays that couldn't came from a human mind. He also is the only player who has a limping strategy headsup. It reminds me something like claudico. It wouldnt surprise me if he is a bot or a human following some kind of software.

check vs limper whilst in the bb hands:



the AQ/AJ/KQ was against 40+vpip fish

raise in bb hands is QQ+ only

Just doesnt make sense. He manages to find iso's when hes in the SB though

having seen his hands, hes definitely not designed on what 99% of winning bots are.

Is it this time yet boys? get 10 million hands per stake or something?

maybe try to talk with the ptr people. werent they involved in helping with bots a previous occasion ?

russian ptr dude prob funding all the bots with his bitcoin money

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I just made this using 27 postflop stats that were available to me, it should go some way to identifying who we should look at in more depth. It pretty much clears Allian[28] of being part of this bot system although he does have a very close style but it deviates enough that I don't think he can be one.

The 27 stats I used are shown below.



A simple key:
Green - 0-200: Almost identical.
Yellow - 200-300: Very close but would likely need more investigation.
Red - 500+. Not likely to be a match but significant similarities the closer you get to 500.

Notes: Reg 1 used to coach reg 2. All 3 regs (and me) are winners in the games we play (100z, 200z, 200ring and 100ring) with slightly different strategies. I used myself as my stats are 24/20/9 with a 53 wwsf over the last 12 months showing how different these regs play to even aggressive regs like myself.

Disclaimer: Like Schwein we used the Euclidean distance metric but did not standardise our data as I'm terrible at maths and my helper had to leave. Essentially this means that a 2 point gap between XR flop and CB flop are measured as the same when in reality, a 2 point gap between 8% flop XR and 10% is much bigger than a 2 point gap between 70% cb and 72% cb. If our data was standardised, I think the results would be even more conclusive as, for example, here[for]busines had very little matches but this could be explained by his 4 point higher ftcb that threw off the data a little. I do also believe that the distance between reg 1 and 2 would also increase as they deviated much more on the lower metrics. Nontheless this data shows some clear trends and in some cases (D33xtr and got_nuts999) overwhelming evidence that they play almost identical.

Any queries I will be happy to answer. I won't release the data I used for this for obvious reasons but I can supply some of it if requested too.



Interestingly d33xtr has matches with pretty much everyone who is suspected of being a bot.

The list of regs who are no longer playing (most probably due to being banned):

- Iddqd55
- D33XTR
- Overbetpower
- Amalgamer
- Tengri_79
- here4busines
- Flusha209
- LuckyCo1n

Impressive work sir

isnt regular ptr back in the biz?

[QUOTE=pontylad;47222563]Guys, the fact that some people chat does not mean that they are not cheating in some way jfc. The risk of software assisted decision making seems far higher than a bot at the moment, as such there will often be a goon on the other end of the computer.




I think this is right on and what I've suspected all along. I'm sure they have years of hands on most opponents with software that assists them with each decision they make. That's why you will see them chat on occasion.

lets not point out botleaks here!!!
if you guys have a skypegroup on this subject, pls send pm

worrying that hes crushing so hard (hes like 11bb past 100k hands or something) and not giving that much **** towards fish

Cant stars see what software ppl are using? One time i opened crev when i had the ps lobby open (didn't even have tables open) and a msg came up saying you are using unauthorized software. The PS client closed and i got a email warning saying if i did it again i will be punished.

I imagine they can with certain software but might be harder with unknown software? Or people have found a way around it

Analog is the guy im up the most against this year😁😁

Thats a function implemented by crev, not by stars. Stars client doesnt care.

Im no expert but i doubt they can see everything bc otherwise theyd never said "we cant enforce a script ban"