noone got refunds..

Oh i see what he was saying now

it doesn't even matter if bots were banned.

the problem stays the same: there is a working software that crushed nl200-1k with a great winrate. even if those guys were banned, new bots will appear in near future but with a little different strategy.

Is there any strategy behind showing the hands right when you go all-in or wait until showdown ?

there's an option whether or not you wanna show

Im not sure why I got so much negative feedback. I dont see how I was out of line at all asking for the latest statements about those russian and montenegro guys as they were outed long before I posted here. I dont follow the relevant threads very closely so I sometimes miss out on some valuable information and need to update.

On the same subject, I did read the bot thread yesterday and I find it amazing the number of regular posters who firmly believe they cant be beat by a bot. The day will come when a bot will beat the best HU players in the world, take it or leave but thats 100% sure. It happened for chess before and it WILL happen for poker in the near future. Given the amount of money involved I would be very surprised if it took more than let say 10yrs at the very max.

I don't think many people would denie this, but some of these threads make it seem that online poker will be bot infested which is for the most part way less likely. In chess players still compete and not just the bots they created.

Besides ones its 'common' knowledge that bots take over the games fish and regs will stay away and online poker will die off. Not a future to look forward to but I just don't think there ever will be a time were online poker is 'bot infested' because either the games would just die quickly or bots continue to be sniffed out efficiently.

hahahah

Didn't know you self-banned

why is that? just because you are curious doesn't make it a good idea to give the potential bots a hint to cash out their bankrolls, just send stars an e-mail and there's nothing more you can do anyways. (other than talking about it with your skype buddies and telling them to do the same, but posting here does no good imo).

stars told me they weren't bots but if more people send their concerns they might investigate them more accurate. all I got now was some standard reply within a day, I highly doubt they looked into them really close besides some standard procedures.

There should be increased identity verification/security checks for high volume/balance players, especially in countries that have been problematic in the past, and for accounts that are created and begin playing SSNL+ and big volume right away.

Stars absolutely should profile, and ramp up captcha's, phone calls from support asking to explain play, altering of software to mess up automation and immediate request of ID+verification that they are in fact the ones playing for accounts that are deemed to be high risk far more than they already do. There's no way these accounts should have been able to withdraw profit without intense scrutiny.

Even if something like 1/200 legitimate grinders are effected and need to fight and over turn the decision, its a price we likely have to pay going forward. Next to no rec players will be effected and, though they might complain, pro's should be willing to accept the extra hassle.

Got cut off from being able to edit by 2+2 going down.


Meant to add that stars should be embarrassed that discovering this fell on the players/should be compensating us for their security lapse out of pocket. (See: how basically any other company handles a security breach that is undoubtedly their fault.)

Part of the service we (should) receive for the rake we pay imo.

This is why I don't think we should be discussing this publicly. All you have posted is good, all you have posted has been sent to Stars privately. Do we really think people smart enuff to program a winning poker bot aren't going to be able to prevent the sites counters measures if they know what they are?

Except that, once again, the players I asked for where outed on forums a long time ago. So I dont see how I gave "the potential bots a hint to cash out their bankrolls".

And its been a while already that I gave up asking stars support anything other than my hands history (over the years I found out thats the only thing they do quickly and very efficiently). Its unfortunate but 2+2 forums are overall much better at giving good information, either in threads or in PMs.

the new people that ur suspecting to be bots are still playing...
so definately no point discussing that here

Random thought, anyone know what happens if we get it all in 3 way, but say one of them is a shortie who doesn't have RIT on? Does it just run it once?

pretty sure RIT only works HU, it is not designed for multiway AIs.

We should absolutely be discussing why we weren't compensated/why it was so easy to spring up as high volume players without arousing scrutiny.

Discussing SNs/and bot detection methods should be kept private of course.

is there a way to get rit to work for hem?

Pretty certain i saw a 3 way rit the other day.

as for the shortie not having rit then i imagine it would only run it once.

runs only once

incorrect, u can have more than 2 players RIT as long as all players who r all in have it enabled

It works for the pot calculation but not for the EV calc. At least for me

It is, but fish never turning on this function.