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Old 12-11-2009, 03:47 PM   #9151
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

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Embrace variance you nit! LLvariance
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nits deal with much worse variance then the looser players
I believe you are at least partially, if not mostly, correct.
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Old 12-11-2009, 03:49 PM   #9152
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I am not sure ofcourse, but nits need their big hands to make their money, they aren't in that many slightly +EV spots, so if a session is full of bad beats, it's always a losing session, while looser players have those spots to win small pots which means it could become a breakeven session after all
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Old 12-11-2009, 03:57 PM   #9153
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I'm a mediocre player who finds 13/10 much more profitable than loosening up.

October: 26k hands, 14/11, 8.71bb/100
November 1-26: 27k hands, 16/12, -9.02bb/100. Decided I was playing too loose, reread Digger's nit guide, tightened up.
November 27-present: 13k hands, 12/9, 11.94bb/100

This is all at a mix of 25 and 50 NL/PL, btw. Staying tight make my ranges stronger, which means I can run at the same c-bet% (usually about 70%) but have a range which is more weighted toward overpairs, so people who think I'm c-betting all the time get into trouble when I show down overpairs to their TP hands. Getting rid of small pairs in EP when table conditions aren't favorable keeps me from having to c/f OOP when I miss, or from getting set over setted. Playing fewer suited connectors means I make fewer non-nut flushes, hands which are very transparent to villains.

I realize this may not be the best game plan for moving up, but it's working better for me than the alternative. And obviously variance plays a huge role--I felt myself hitting a lot more draws in October and December than November--but being a nit is working out better than trying to LAG it up.
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Old 12-11-2009, 04:04 PM   #9154
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

It definitely depends on how you are going to play postflop. If you go from a 12/9 to a 16/13, but you are still a nit after the flop, it isn't going to work.
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Old 12-11-2009, 04:06 PM   #9155
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<--- from a self-confirmed nit

in addition to the above posts, there are sessions where I've either make or break a 1k hand session with a few hands on the end. Generally, my OP's get cracked/run down then I hit a hand or two at the end of the session to get back to b/e or a winner - or I drop an underset or 2pr to a rivered straight and end up stuck 2 BI's. I agree with TDK:
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I am not sure of course, but nits need their big hands to make their money, they aren't in that many slightly +EV spots, so if a session is full of bad beats, it's always a losing session, while looser players have those spots to win small pots which means it could become a breakeven session after all
To contradict this I'm really looking for reasons to play more hands in LP, play more hands in MP based not off of my holdings, but stats of remaining players. Does anyone else use 'Call Open' in their HUD? Also playing with the 'Limp/Fold' in dealing with ISO'ng more often.

Nits are also guilty of thinking, "How can I be playing so 'correctly' but that donkey over there keeps winning???" and "I'd have twice the BR if I wasn't get sucked out on all the time!"

End of confessions... Is there a 12 Step Program for Nits???
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Old 12-11-2009, 04:08 PM   #9156
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

I made a couple of MSPaints to illustrate this. Here are the graphs of 3 winning players:






Basically, the LAG approaches the "long run" fastest, and so over any given short- or medium-sized sample they are less likely to have big downswings. This is what people are talking about when they say LAGs have less variance. I don't know if its technically "variance", but they are correct.

(For instance, imagine if just one big pot goes the wrong way for the nit? And for the LAG?)
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Old 12-11-2009, 04:09 PM   #9157
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nits deal with much worse variance then the looser players
This is 100% true when comparing players with comparable win rates. But ime, win rate is the biggest factor in how much your results will be affected by variance.

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I'm a mediocre player who finds 13/10 much more profitable than loosening up.

October: 26k hands, 14/11, 8.71bb/100
November 1-26: 27k hands, 16/12, -9.02bb/100. Decided I was playing too loose, reread Digger's nit guide, tightened up.
November 27-present: 13k hands, 12/9, 11.94bb/100

This is all at a mix of 25 and 50 NL/PL, btw. Staying tight make my ranges stronger, which means I can run at the same c-bet% (usually about 70%) but have a range which is more weighted toward overpairs, so people who think I'm c-betting all the time get into trouble when I show down overpairs to their TP hands. Getting rid of small pairs in EP when table conditions aren't favorable keeps me from having to c/f OOP when I miss, or from getting set over setted. Playing fewer suited connectors means I make fewer non-nut flushes, hands which are very transparent to villains.

I realize this may not be the best game plan for moving up, but it's working better for me than the alternative. And obviously variance plays a huge role--I felt myself hitting a lot more draws in October and December than November--but being a nit is working out better than trying to LAG it up.
This actually seems like a practically ideal style for $25 and $50. It works for me at $100, too, except that I have massive leaks associated with being a "suspicious," player.
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Old 12-11-2009, 04:31 PM   #9158
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Spend 1/3 of the time you were planning on the seminar, spend the rest at home grinding.
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Enjoy the friday variance sickness

But I already donate a lot to NL25 today so for this you are too late
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Old 12-11-2009, 04:50 PM   #9159
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Yummy - I am ***SaberTJ*** on FT and I only play NL.

I am running into the villain at deep 25NL tables. He calls me OOP with weak hands at times, and it always seems when I try and keep the pot small with one pair hands he catches up on the river with some funky straight or backdoor flush. Maybe he's just got me playing scared against him. But I agree he is straightforward. Every time he's bet the river he's had me beat.
He's very passive. I'm not sure how successful he is, but I'm careful not to play too much against him. If he bets out, he's got one pair beat.
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Old 12-11-2009, 04:57 PM   #9160
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Man, these tables are nitty. My feet hurt from all this walking
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Old 12-11-2009, 05:08 PM   #9161
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Hey, guys.

So, I finally got rakeback on FTP and am looking to move my roll from Stars on to FTP. Anyone here think they can help me out with a transfer - it's only around $1k. Someone reputable preferred, obv.
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Old 12-11-2009, 05:10 PM   #9162
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Hey, guys.

So, I finally got rakeback on FTP and am looking to move my roll from Stars on to FTP. Anyone here think they can help me out with a transfer - it's only around $1k. Someone reputable preferred, obv.
OMG DIBS!!

Trying so hard to transfer enough to play 100 on stars.

I think I have your aim. Can discuss references etc if you want. Did a trade with FunkyJ and Split knows me a bit.
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Old 12-11-2009, 05:47 PM   #9163
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Hey, guys.

So, I finally got rakeback on FTP and am looking to move my roll from Stars on to FTP. Anyone here think they can help me out with a transfer - it's only around $1k. Someone reputable preferred, obv.
I traded with Ponder https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/122770/ a few weeks ago. Traded with TheRenaissance https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/77023/ earlier this year. PM me if you still need in need of FT moneys.
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Old 12-11-2009, 07:16 PM   #9164
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

Someone just sent me this Lady Gaga video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4YZeyl0I

Do people actually like Lady Gaga or is she just overly marketed?

No one over the age of 20 actually listens to her though right?

Decent body but jesus christ Marilyn Manson face, zero talent, and her the music is just BAD. Not as in "its not my taste" but its BAD music.

I dont understand the marketing angle at all. Just dont know what she is supposed to be, what need she is fulfilling, and why I should ever acknowledge her artificial existence.
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Old 12-11-2009, 07:41 PM   #9165
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I've got a serious crush on Lady Gaga. Very talented too imo.
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Old 12-11-2009, 07:45 PM   #9166
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I've got a serious crush on Lady Gaga. Very talented too imo.
Needs <sarcasm> tags IMO...

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Old 12-11-2009, 07:49 PM   #9167
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No, I really do like her. Think she's the best thing going in pop music right now.
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Old 12-11-2009, 07:53 PM   #9168
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I don't listen to her much, but I do think she's a hell of a lot more interesting than her peers in her genre.
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Old 12-11-2009, 07:59 PM   #9169
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I had no idea what to do with my academy points, so I went and got a security token. I guess my account has enough cash to make it worthwhile to hack into it. How long did it take to come?
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Old 12-11-2009, 08:03 PM   #9170
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Seems like most of us ordered them when they were first offered, ~Nov 3rd, and they started arrivng this week.
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Old 12-11-2009, 08:32 PM   #9171
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, except that I have massive leaks associated with being a "suspicious," player.
Oh crap.. (((ruffles through notes))) /*//**cough** cough**** ...needs.....to.....change ....up....SUMThanG......

You NEVER look me up
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Old 12-11-2009, 08:50 PM   #9172
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10nl on ftp is impossible to beat, suckout after cooler after suckout
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Old 12-11-2009, 09:12 PM   #9173
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Oh crap.. (((ruffles through notes))) /*//**cough** cough**** ...needs.....to.....change ....up....SUMThanG......

You NEVER look me up
we don't have that much history--really just that one night. I also feel pretty strongly that you have the information edge (you know more about my game than I do about yours), and you have the skill edge, too. So I am pretty much just deferring to your read of the situations--"OK, he thinks he is ahead here, he's prolly right."
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Old 12-11-2009, 09:25 PM   #9174
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I think that at the micros, different levels will be more profitable with different styles. But when I make that statement it is in general saying you aren't playing great poker anyways. If you are playing great it isn't going to matter if you are 11/8 or 20/17 you are going to win with ease.

For the 99% of us who aren't great, I have found it much easier to win at 50 and below playing nittier, while at 100 the regs [not necessarily good], are more well trained to deal with 13/10s. They are still exploitable, but in different ways.
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Old 12-11-2009, 10:11 PM   #9175
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Why can I play decent vs gregGGhehe HU (I had obv although some good hands) but can still not fold vs fish over pot shoves on the turn after they min c/r the flop while I have an overpair....

I can be such a fish
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