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Old 11-02-2009, 12:11 AM   #7101
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but lately I can have a positive red line at 25nl, but who cares, red line is way too over valued on 2p2
yeah i was thinking that too. as long as the overall ptbb/100 is good, i'm happy. but wondering if i'm leaving a lot of monies on the table since my redline is downwards?

was your positive redline over a large SS?
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:15 AM   #7102
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hey guys, i'm playing 50NL at the moment.

my question to you all is:

is it even possible to have a upwards redline at this limit over a large sample size? seems like the key is to valuetown people and most people don't like to fold?

i'm satisfied with my winrate (3.5 ptbb/100) but my redline still looks like crap. should i be overly concerned about it?

i'd be curious to see some of the prettier redline graphs?

thanks!
If you are beating the game you are beating it and if you are happy with the clip you are beating it at then that is all that matters. Dont worry about sexy redlines just make sure you are getting the most value and playing a solid game.

+ redlines are definatly possible in the micros but not always the best way to go. Keep plugging away and I think you will be surprised to see your redline slowely come up towards BE rather than nose dive. The key to BE redlines isnt super aggresion, that is the key to huge upward redlines. The key to BE redlines is minimizing mistakes and minimizing the times you put bad money in only folding on later streets. If you cant call much more heat then you probably are just better off folding in the first place. Dont call huge reraises if you plan to fold to the shoves on the turn or river because 90% of the time they WILL shove. The problem people dont realize is that the micro fish arent being aggressive to try and be super bluffy. They just look down and see a pretty hand and think back to the last time the heard a WSOP announcer say aggressive is good and shove. So if you call that big reraise be prepared to call the shove on the next street.
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:28 AM   #7103
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The only thing to worry about redlines is if you think improving your redline will improve your greenline as well. You don't want to be doing things to improve your redline that hurts your bottomline.

If you're in the negative, chances are that you can do some things to improve, but the far majority of your wins will come from showdowns. One of the main reasons for this is that people in the micros are relatively stuck to their hands, so it's hard to get a fold. More often, you'll be the one who does the folding which hurts your redline, but perhaps not as much as going to showdown would hurt your greenline. From the stoxpoker videos I watched which go up to about 200NL, they are usually happy if the redline is slightly in the positive. If it's hard at 200NL, it's hard at 50NL as well.
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:28 AM   #7104
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hey guys, i'm playing 50NL at the moment.

my question to you all is:

is it even possible to have a upwards redline at this limit over a large sample size? seems like the key is to valuetown people and most people don't like to fold?

i'm satisfied with my winrate (3.5 ptbb/100) but my redline still looks like crap. should i be overly concerned about it?

i'd be curious to see some of the prettier redline graphs?

thanks!
absolutely yes...i used to be in the "red line way over rated, only green line matters" but it's definitely possible to have a positive red line. when i got my red line positive my w/r sky rocketed...this is at 50 btw
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:34 AM   #7105
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absolutely yes...i used to be in the "red line way over rated, only green line matters" but it's definitely possible to have a positive red line. when i got my red line positive my w/r sky rocketed...this is at 50 btw
+1. I had the same experience, but at 5NL. And I still try to do it at 10NL. That way even when I have a bad night with showdowns, a decent redline will alleviate the pain.

It is very opponent dependent. Some people just won't fold and won't respect your raises. Against them, your redline sucks, but your blueline will be awesome. Against others, you can bluff and bully your way to pots, but if you do reach showdowns with them, you're going to lose more often. You have to be real careful as to who you try and blow off hands. Once I adopted that mindset, I started winning a lot more and my blue line didn't suffer since I would still play my made hands and win with them just as often.

Being able to handread is good for redline poker. Also, semibluffing will really help against the right people. I know some people say you shouldn't bluff in the micros, but you definitely can against some people.
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Old 11-02-2009, 01:30 AM   #7106
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The key to BE redlines isnt super aggresion, that is the key to huge upward redlines. The key to BE redlines is minimizing mistakes and minimizing the times you put bad money in only folding on later streets. If you cant call much more heat then you probably are just better off folding in the first place.
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You don't want to be doing things to improve your redline that hurts your bottomline.

two bits of v good advice, imo
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Old 11-02-2009, 01:34 AM   #7107
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sir, 1) click the link 2) choose your course of interest 3) click preview course 4) follow the video selection for the number of days in the course.

keep in mind you DO NOT HAVE TO follow the course selection, but can jump to different videos, or skip some entirely.

that is for the "course" if you desire to go that route. if not, then choose whatever videos float your boat from the video page also keeping in mind you can utilize the 'Search' function to find videos which are suitable for your needs.

if you still have trouble following direction, or are unable to navigate a web site on your lonesome, try SplitSuit, nick "Stoxpoker" grudzien vids, and/or rick "ricky1231 mask vids.

srsly, i don't know how much simpler it can be. if you STILL HAVE TROUBLES finding what you seek... then try the CardRunners/Stoxpoker forum okay?

but puh-leez no more complaining about how you can't find something on a web site with explicit instructions, alrighty?
First off, i am not complaining. I am just having trouble and asking for some help. Second, thank you for your assistance.

I currently play 25NL and can't figure out which videos would be the best for me. So if you have any particular recommendations, would be great. Thanks.
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Old 11-02-2009, 01:35 AM   #7108
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did anyone actually got anything out of all that piece of ivey crap ?
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Old 11-02-2009, 01:42 AM   #7109
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Well, I think part of it has something to do with the amount of money Ivey ends up winning which won't be determined until next week.
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Old 11-02-2009, 01:49 AM   #7110
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First off, i am not complaining. I am just having trouble and asking for some help. Second, thank you for your assistance.

I currently play 25NL and can't figure out which videos would be the best for me. So if you have any particular recommendations, would be great. Thanks.
ummmm... click any link in the post to get what you need. use the 'Search' for 25nl. try the KQs vid.
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Old 11-02-2009, 01:58 AM   #7111
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did anyone actually got anything out of all that piece of ivey crap ?
NO. FML i need the $25!
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Old 11-02-2009, 02:23 AM   #7112
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+ redlines are definatly possible in the micros but not always the best way to go. Keep plugging away and I think you will be surprised to see your redline slowely come up towards BE rather than nose dive. The key to BE redlines isnt super aggresion, that is the key to huge upward redlines. The key to BE redlines is minimizing mistakes and minimizing the times you put bad money in only folding on later streets. If you cant call much more heat then you probably are just better off folding in the first place. Dont call huge reraises if you plan to fold to the shoves on the turn or river because 90% of the time they WILL shove. The problem people dont realize is that the micro fish arent being aggressive to try and be super bluffy. They just look down and see a pretty hand and think back to the last time the heard a WSOP announcer say aggressive is good and shove. So if you call that big reraise be prepared to call the shove on the next street.
some great stuff here. thanks thunder.
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Old 11-02-2009, 02:35 AM   #7113
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did anyone actually got anything out of all that piece of ivey crap ?
Got $5 on day 2... obv brag IMO...

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Old 11-02-2009, 03:51 AM   #7114
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Picked up a free months membership at CR... Any recommendations on FR vids to view?
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Yeah try 4 PM and it's like pitch black here. I could live with that if it was 25 °C, but it's 5 °C

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hey guys, i'm playing 50NL at the moment.

my question to you all is:

is it even possible to have a upwards redline at this limit over a large sample size? seems like the key is to valuetown people and most people don't like to fold?

i'm satisfied with my winrate (3.5 ptbb/100) but my redline still looks like crap. should i be overly concerned about it?

i'd be curious to see some of the prettier redline graphs?

thanks!
Answer: Never fold!

....ok srsly, what Thunder said. Don't put lots of money in the pot and then fold.
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Old 11-02-2009, 04:48 AM   #7115
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Dear Full Tilt Store,

Please get cool **** ASAP.

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Old 11-02-2009, 06:59 AM   #7116
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I like the ABC poker better at micros. Tight is right. KQS UTG is way too marginal imo.
I just stumbled here by accident, but I'll give you 1 piece of advice. Sure, playing tight is easy money at the micros. But if you play looser you will most likely learn the game a lot faster and get better faster, which in the end is going to be way more profitable. When you force yourself to get into marginal spots over and over again, you'll learn from the mistakes you make and because of that you'll get better faster.
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Old 11-02-2009, 07:49 AM   #7117
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I've got $178 on FTP that I'm trying to get moved to Stars....anybody willing to help me out? I'm headed to work this morning, but will be home this afternoon. Just pm me if you can help
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Old 11-02-2009, 08:41 AM   #7118
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I just stumbled here by accident, but I'll give you 1 piece of advice. Sure, playing tight is easy money at the micros. But if you play looser you will most likely learn the game a lot faster and get better faster, which in the end is going to be way more profitable. When you force yourself to get into marginal spots over and over again, you'll learn from the mistakes you make and because of that you'll get better faster.
Admit it viz, you stumbled across it because you were searching out my posts because u know anything I post is gold....

BTW, vizer's 100% correct in his post and one of the regs I try to avoid whilst playing 100NL/200NL.

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Old 11-02-2009, 09:24 AM   #7119
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I just stumbled here by accident, but I'll give you 1 piece of advice. Sure, playing tight is easy money at the micros. But if you play looser you will most likely learn the game a lot faster and get better faster, which in the end is going to be way more profitable. When you force yourself to get into marginal spots over and over again, you'll learn from the mistakes you make and because of that you'll get better faster.
Awesome! Now I have a justification for my spewtardedness.
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Old 11-02-2009, 09:27 AM   #7120
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With opening up there always will be some spew, the key is not to tilt when it happens and learn from the mistake you made

I also believe that you shouldn't aim to play loose or tight, just let it flow naturally, that way you will get your own style instead of some forced tight or loose game because others told you it worked for them

Everybody has their own philosophy how poker works, I am not going to tell Mpethy that he should play a 19/16 style while he is really strong and comfortable with his tighter philosophy to this game, as an example
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Old 11-02-2009, 09:32 AM   #7121
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With opening up there always will be some spew, the key is not to tilt when it happens and learn from the mistake you made
Agreed. It's my tilting on some aggressive tables that really costs me. Usually I'll be steaming about two aggro people on the table and end up losing my stack to some random person who hasn't touched his chips for three orbits and suddenly decides to 4bet me.
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did anyone actually got anything out of all that piece of ivey crap ?
To be honest, it was so convoluted that I didn't understand it, and so just didn't even sign up.
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To be honest, it was so convoluted that I didn't understand it, and so just didn't even sign up.
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lol so after i sent my email to support about not having iron man yet and no mdeals they replied all apologetic and stuff with freebies
(this is my first month making iron so 200 medals = nice)

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Your dedication and hard work has earned you 200 medals and your status has been updated.

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even though they are practically worthless so them giving away 100 extra isnt that speshiul
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Please get cool **** ASAP.

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Do you have rakeback? If so, do you understand that purchasing things from the stores is a losing prop (your rakeback is calculated on a net of FTP point redemption basis AFAIK)
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