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Old 10-31-2009, 04:24 PM   #6976
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screw KQs and 56s... gimme ROCKETZ!!!!
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Old 10-31-2009, 04:27 PM   #6977
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I equate loose with bad at 5NL. It doesn't really matter anyway because I think the hand has too much value to fold.

I didn't invent the idea. If you have a DC subscription watch the Coaching Tree vids. BW goes in depth on why the hand has lots of value from EP.

I have a dc subscritption and Baluga's vids are the best thing on there (and I have his book, as i know you do). But many things, including Balugas ideas, come down to having a skill advantage over our opponents. You can't automatically assume though that someone posting a hand is better than his opponents. That being the case, I don't think opening KQs utg at a loose table is a good idea.

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Old 10-31-2009, 04:28 PM   #6978
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screw KQs and 56s... gimme ROCKETZ!!!!
They'll only get cracked anyway
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Old 10-31-2009, 04:30 PM   #6979
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That being the case, I don't think opening KQs utg at a loose table is a good idea.
PM Baluga this question and see what he says. I'm pretty sure I know the answer.

Forget 5NL for a moment: Why would you not want to play a hand like KQs against loose players from any postion? Tightening up against loose players is not an optimal strategy. In fact, you should be widening out your opening range.
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PM Baluga this question and see what he says. I'm pretty sure I know the answer.

Forget 5NL for a moment: Why would you not want to play a hand like KQs against loose players from any postion? Tightening up against loose players is not an optimal strategy. In fact, you should be widening out your opening range.

We can't forget 5nl though. That's the whole context of this discussion.
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Old 10-31-2009, 04:41 PM   #6981
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We can't forget 5nl though. That's the whole context of this discussion.
It sounds like you would fold KQs from UTG at any loose table regardless of stakes by the way you've been talking. Also, I think it's definitely a open at 5NL anyway.
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Old 10-31-2009, 04:43 PM   #6982
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PM Baluga this question and see what he says. I'm pretty sure I know the answer.

Forget 5NL for a moment: Why would you not want to play a hand like KQs against loose players from any postion? Tightening up against loose players is not an optimal strategy. In fact, you should be widening out your opening range.
I like the ABC poker better at micros. Tight is right. KQS UTG is way too marginal imo.
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Old 10-31-2009, 04:45 PM   #6983
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I like the ABC poker better at micros. Tight is right. KQS UTG is way too marginal imo.
This is why I don't bother posting strategy much anymore.
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This is why I don't bother posting strategy much anymore.
Hi, do you play at 2NL or 5NL? Nice meeting you by the way
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Old 10-31-2009, 05:01 PM   #6985
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Hi, do you play at 2NL or 5NL? Nice meeting you by the way
Basically your previous post makes zero sense for a ton of reasons, but the main thing is that all hands go up in value at micro stakes because there are tons of bad players.

In fact, you should be more inclined to open KQs UTG at 2NL, 5NL, 10NL, 25NL than at 100NL/200NL, but I would open that hand at all levels.

I may not play 2NL/5NL, but I can beat 100NL, so maybe you should re-read my posts and think a little bit about what I'm saying.

Have fun at the cheeseburger stakes.
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Old 10-31-2009, 05:02 PM   #6986
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I haven't read BW's book....but I still agree with brock. KQs has value......if you aren't dreadful playing OOP.
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Old 10-31-2009, 05:07 PM   #6987
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I haven't read BW's book....but I still agree with brock. KQs has value......if you aren't dreadful playing OOP.
ty KS. You don't have to read his book to get what I'm saying. Regarding being OOP, yeah it sucks but what you give up in EV by playing OOP you more than gain by playing a hand with strong postflop value.
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Old 10-31-2009, 05:09 PM   #6988
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Basically your previous post makes zero sense for a ton of reasons, but the main thing is that all hands go up in value at micro stakes because there are tons of bad players.

In fact, you should be more inclined to open KQs UTG at 2NL, 5NL, 10NL, 25NL than at 100NL/200NL, but I would open that hand at all levels.

I may not play 2NL/5NL, but I can beat 100NL, so maybe you should re-read my posts and think a little bit about what I'm saying.

Have fun at the cheeseburger stakes.
i read'em BS1... don't allow a few to marginalize strat posts. who am i more likely to listen to? those playing above me beating the level or those playing below me ABC style? there's a reason the majority are losers, some are breakeven, and then a few percent beat it at a good clip.
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Old 10-31-2009, 05:12 PM   #6989
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i read'em BS1... don't allow a few to marginalize strat posts. who am i more likely to listen to? those playing above me beating the level or those playing below me ABC style? there's a reason the majority are losers, some are breakeven, and then a few percent beat it at a good clip.
ty man. I like your approach to getting better. Personally, I'd like to get coaching from a 1000NL player, but it's a little out of my price range ATM.
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Old 10-31-2009, 05:44 PM   #6990
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That's it for oktober, can't say I found that red line we were hunting but +10BI mostly at 50NL (first winning month at the fiddy), and some experimenting at 25NL with some stuff.

Shoutout to FTP: STOP GIVING SETMINING DONKEYS SETS IN EVERY 3BET POT FFS!!!!

kthxbai!

Sidenote: KQs plays just fine at 25 and 50 for exactly the reasons Brock said.

Edit: Rolled for shots at 100NL after looking at the cashier, maybe I'll take some after getting a few coaching sessions in.
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Old 10-31-2009, 05:49 PM   #6991
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after being -4BI's for the monthly low, i am now +$2.42!!! think i'll lock up my winning month!

who are you planning on using for your coaching pele?
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Old 10-31-2009, 05:53 PM   #6992
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This is why I don't bother posting strategy much anymore.
Because its frustrating teaching people worse than you, or because many don't listen?
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Old 10-31-2009, 05:54 PM   #6993
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i made a new friend today too...

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Old 10-31-2009, 05:59 PM   #6994
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after being -4BI's for the monthly low, i am now +$2.42!!! think i'll lock up my winning month!

who are you planning on using for your coaching pele?
Sounded Simple, have 3 or 4 sessions left.

Nice hand there btw!
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Basically your previous post makes zero sense for a ton of reasons, but the main thing is that all hands go up in value at micro stakes because there are tons of bad players.

In fact, you should be more inclined to open KQs UTG at 2NL, 5NL, 10NL, 25NL than at 100NL/200NL, but I would open that hand at all levels.

I may not play 2NL/5NL, but I can beat 100NL, so maybe you should re-read my posts and think a little bit about what I'm saying.

Have fun at the cheeseburger stakes.
I think my post makes sense. ABC poker works at micro stakes as far as i know. I don't want to get involved with marginal hands OOP, at least not in micros. I will probably be able to afford a cheeseburger at the end of today tho thanks to those fish.
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Old 10-31-2009, 06:35 PM   #6996
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I'm curious as to why KQs is considered a marginal hand.
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I think my post makes sense. ABC poker works at micro stakes as far as i know. I don't want to get involved with marginal hands OOP, at least not in micros. I will probably be able to afford a cheeseburger at the end of today tho thanks to those fish.
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I'm curious as to why KQs is considered a marginal hand.
There are no marginal hands, just marginal poker players.

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Old 10-31-2009, 07:58 PM   #6999
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I need to transfer money from one site to another. I have just shy of 2.8k on Stars I'd like to trade for FTP. I've made successful transfers with regulars in the SS FTP thread, and willing to trade smaller increments if it makes you more comfortable. Send me a PM through here for my AIM info. I must know you or have heard of you.

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There are no marginal hands, just marginal poker players.
There can't be marginal Poker players with out marginal hands.

Define marginal Poker player: A Poker player that plays marginal hands.
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