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Old 10-03-2009, 10:06 AM   #5651
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

Yea I might swap to HEM just to mix things up :]

As of now I prefer pokershortcuts over that free beta tableninja, just has way too few features. psc does everything I want it to for now anyhow. I love how it weirds people out that I always manage to bet exactly 73% 66% 33% of pot.. open flop bet is often instant 2.05 from BB lol (since I pretty much always bet flop irregardless of what I have vs sb and a limp..)
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Old 10-03-2009, 10:36 AM   #5652
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

Quick question about PT3 "fold to 3 bet" stat (sorry if it doesnt go here I don't want to start a new thread and this is the forum I post most in).

Does this stat refer to ALL the times a player folds to 3-bet, even when they have no money in the pot and on other streets besides just preflop? I have been taking this stat to mean the times they fold to a 3-bet after putting in the initial raise preflop. Is this wrong? This is the stat that I (and I assume most) want on my HUD.

Also, I noticed that there is a separate "fold to 3bet" and "fold to PF 3bet" stat. When most people quote this stat in HHs they just say "his fold to 3bet was xx" but aren't they really talking about "fold to PF 3Bet" and isnt this the relevant number since it almost always comes up in preflop situations? Right now I display/look for "fold to 3Bet" if I'm thinking of 3 betting light preflop, do I need to change my HUD?
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Old 10-03-2009, 10:43 AM   #5653
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

Unfortunately there's a lot of stats where it's not obvious how exactly they're defined and the documentation on those things is pretty poor (at least for HEM, don't know about PT3).

The only way to find out for sure is to use a filter to only show hands where - in your erxample - "fold to 3b = true" (or "fold to PF 3b = true") and skim through the hands.
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Old 10-03-2009, 10:59 AM   #5654
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

Last time I said something in a HEM vs PT3 discussion I got berated by some PT3 guy

PT3 has a micro stakes version these days so I'd say download both trials and test em out and select which ever you like best.
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:07 AM   #5655
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

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Anyone got some quick thoughts on HEM vs PT3?
Currently using pt3
Yeah the consensus is HEM, but I use PT3 and I like it. PT3 copied HEM in a few ways (EV graph, positional stats) so they are starting to get closer.
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:12 AM   #5656
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Does this stat refer to ALL the times a player folds to 3-bet, even when they have no money in the pot and on other streets besides just preflop? I have been taking this stat to mean the times they fold to a 3-bet after putting in the initial raise preflop. Is this wrong? This is the stat that I (and I assume most) want on my HUD.
I think the fold to 3bet stat does include times when the player wasn't the initial raiser, which kinda sucks. So in theory you could have someone who only raises AA and KK, and never fold those to 3bets or 4bets, and have a fold to 3bet of like 85.

If anyone knows how to change this, let me know.
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I think the fold to 3bet stat does include times when the player wasn't the initial raiser, which kinda sucks. So in theory you could have someone who only raises AA and KK, and never fold those to 3bets or 4bets, and have a fold to 3bet of like 85.

If anyone knows how to change this, let me know.
Yeah exactly, the stat is useless if it includes all folds to 3 bets, wtf?

There would be a ton of tight players who practically NEVER fold a PFR to a 3-bet with fold to 3bets in the 90s, and you gain basically no info from the stat if that's the case.

What I want, and is not listed, is "fold to PF 3bet after a PFR". I assume this is what most people want and believe the stat to be. I still have no idea if this is what the "fold to 3Bet" or "fold to PF 3bet" actually is, but I really hope it is.
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:20 AM   #5658
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

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Are you using a card mod?
yeah card and table mod
thats probably the problem, i have turned animations off and set TN to "table under mouse" and its better now, bet sizes are still off sometimes but its not really an issue i can scrollchange it pretty fast

i refuse to go back to non-modded tilt

does FTS work with mods ?
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:21 AM   #5659
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

i mean. its annoying to multi table on fulltilt cause their tables requiring action dont pop up to the front?

am i right on this? does anyone know a way to fix that crap? :\
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:27 AM   #5660
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i mean. its annoying to multi table on fulltilt cause their tables requiring action dont pop up to the front?

am i right on this? does anyone know a way to fix that crap? :\
Mine pop up to the front... I don't remember doing anything to make that happen. Maybe there is an option you unchecked in the lobby.
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:28 AM   #5661
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Yeah exactly, the stat is useless if it includes all folds to 3 bets, wtf?

There would be a ton of tight players who practically NEVER fold a PFR to a 3-bet with fold to 3bets in the 90s, and you gain basically no info from the stat if that's the case.

What I want, and is not listed, is "fold to PF 3bet after a PFR". I assume this is what most people want and believe the stat to be. I still have no idea if this is what the "fold to 3Bet" or "fold to PF 3bet" actually is, but I really hope it is.
I'm gonna go to the PT forums and ask. I've always had this complaint but thought I was the only one. I'll come back with an answer.
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:31 AM   #5662
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Mine pop up too, do you have "Display table on action" checked under Options in the lobby?
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:53 AM   #5663
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yeah card and table mod
thats probably the problem, i have turned animations off and set TN to "table under mouse" and its better now, bet sizes are still off sometimes but its not really an issue i can scrollchange it pretty fast

i refuse to go back to non-modded tilt

does FTS work with mods ?
They have special card mods that work with their software. They see street recognition by capturing a white pixel in the lower left hand region of the card. Their is one at this site that is called KGB Ninja that says upcoming but if you pm a 2+2'er named tedd_e_kgb you can get them straight from him. I tried them out and they worked perfectly.

Also tried this deck from tiltbusters and although I think it is quite bland it worked. Tiltbusters also has one other deck that is Table Ninja compatible and another one coming soon.

I personally prefer KGB's because it was a nicer looking mod and easier to see imo.
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:59 AM   #5664
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

The standard 4 color decks on FTP work with TN. They aren't that bad.
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Old 10-03-2009, 01:08 PM   #5665
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

meh tbh i'd rather have the FTP maria deck from tiltbuster that im using now, and change the betsize with my scroll wheel a few times than get some cards i dont like

i havent checked out the kgb ninja cards yet cus i cant find/see them on that site, maybe they look nice enough i dont know..
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Old 10-03-2009, 02:14 PM   #5666
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back from vegas...

cliff notes:
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

Is there a script / program that will auto press timebank for you? I tried PokerShortcuts but it says it will only work on 1 table (beta).

I stack tables so whenever I try Table Ninja FT it gives me problems, does anyone successfully use TN FT and stack tables?
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Is there a script / program that will auto press timebank for you? I tried PokerShortcuts but it says it will only work on 1 table (beta).

I stack tables so whenever I try Table Ninja FT it gives me problems, does anyone successfully use TN FT and stack tables?
i paid for PSC prior to it going open source, does the open source download only allow one table? TNFT does pkay too for me.

found this for you tho... hth


RobinP's Full Tilt Tools AHK Script
Features:
- Jumps to the first table that needs your attention
- Moves the mouse close to the controls
- Highlights the table in bright red
- Active table on mouse-over
- Option to turn on/off options by right clicking the system tray icon
- Auto timebank clicker for all tables
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Is there a script / program that will auto press timebank for you? I tried PokerShortcuts but it says it will only work on 1 table (beta).

I stack tables so whenever I try Table Ninja FT it gives me problems, does anyone successfully use TN FT and stack tables?
TN does it and I stack tables.

Best feature of TN imo
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Old 10-03-2009, 04:01 PM   #5671
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New ring girl is tasty. I do miss EDiths big fake melons + horseface though.
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meh tbh i'd rather have the FTP maria deck from tiltbuster that im using now, and change the betsize with my scroll wheel a few times than get some cards i dont like

i havent checked out the kgb ninja cards yet cus i cant find/see them on that site, maybe they look nice enough i dont know..
Here is the link to his post in the FTP mod thread.


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My new deck is now ready. It's been tested by two players using TableNinjaFT and so far works without any issues. I'm asking for just 5 bucks for my effort. Send me a PM if you are interested. I've included several screenshots below.

KGB Ninja





If you purchase this deck. I will send you a link that includes both 3D and 2D versions of the deck (3D pictured above), two versions of the "Ten" card ("10" or "T"), two version of spades (grey or yellow), and matching cardbacks.
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Last time I said something in a HEM vs PT3 discussion I got berated by some PT3 guy

PT3 has a micro stakes version these days so I'd say download both trials and test em out and select which ever you like best.
using pt3 already, and I don't play microstakes. was just contemplating a swap to HEM.
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i paid for PSC prior to it going open source, does the open source download only allow one table? TNFT does pkay too for me.

found this for you tho... hth


RobinP's Full Tilt Tools AHK Script
Features:
- Jumps to the first table that needs your attention
- Moves the mouse close to the controls
- Highlights the table in bright red
- Active table on mouse-over
- Option to turn on/off options by right clicking the system tray icon
- Auto timebank clicker for all tables
Thanks

When I click the link, it sent me to a forum. Installed ahk but I don't know how to make it. Help would be greatly appreciated.


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Not sure if it's identical (probably) but here is the AHK script code I used for the upcoming featured article for "RobinP's Full Tilt Tools" . It includes Urgent Table, Table Highlight, Mouse Move, Enable Time Bank.

Once you run the script you can right click it in the system tray to turn any of the features on/off.

COPY & PASTE AND NAME THE FILE : RobinPFullTiltTools.ahk ::>>

;
; AutoHotkey Version: 1.x
; Language: English
; Platform: Win9x/NT
; Author: RobinP
;
; Script Function:
; Jumps to the most urgent FT table
;

#NoEnv ; Recommended for performance and compatibility with future AutoHotkey releases.
#SingleInstance Force
SendMode Input ; Recommended for new scripts due to its superior speed and reliability.
SetWorkingDir %A_ScriptDir% ; Ensures a consistent starting directory.
SendMode InputThenPlay

SetTitleMatchMode, 2
SysGet, border, 32
SysGet, caption, 4

border_colour := "ff0000"
border_size := 5
trans := 255
last_table_id := ""

menu, tray, DeleteAll
menu, tray, NoStandard
menu, tray, add, EnableHighlight
menu, tray, add, EnableActivateUnderMouse
menu, tray, add, EnableMouseMove
menu, tray, add, EnableTimeBank
menu, tray, add, DisableAll
menu, tray, add
menu, tray, add, Exit
menu, tray, Check, EnableHighlight
menu, tray, Check, EnableActivateUndermouse
menu, tray, Check, EnableMouseMove
menu, tray, Check, EnableTimeBank

highlightenabled := true
activateundermousenabled := true
mousemoveenabled := true
timebankenabled := true

Loop
{
Sleep,200
if (highlightenabled)
Urgenttable()
if (activateundermousenabled)
activatetableundermouse()
if (timebankenabled)
timebanktables()
}


return

timebanktables()
{
WinGet, id, list, Limit Hold'em, , Full Tilt Poker
Loop, %id%
{
this_id := id%A_Index%
WinGetClass, this_class, ahk_id %this_id%
WinGetTitle, this_title, ahk_id %this_id%
ControlGet, v, Visible, , FTCSkinButton19, ahk_id%this_id%
if (v)
{
ControlClick,FTCSkinButton19, ahk_id%this_id%
}
}
}

Urgenttable()
{
global last_table_id
WinGet, id, list, Limit Hold'em, , Full Tilt Poker
ControlGet, v, Visible, , FTCSkinButton13, ahk_id%last_table_id%
if (!v)
{
makegui()
Loop, %id%
{
this_id := id%A_Index%
WinGetClass, this_class, ahk_id %this_id%
WinGetTitle, this_title, ahk_id %this_id%
ControlGet, v, Visible, , FTCSkinButton13, ahk_id%this_id%
if (v)
{
makegui(this_id)
break
}
}
}
}

activatetableundermouse()
{
MousegetPos,,,WinID
WinGetClass, class, ahk_id %WinID%
;WinGetTitle, title, ahk_id %WinID%
;MsgBox, %title%
if (class="FTC_TableViewFull")
winactivate, ahk_id %WinID%
}


makegui(id="")
{
global last_table_id
global border_colour
global border_size
global trans
global mousemoveenabled

if (id != last_table_id)
{
last_table_id := id

if(!id)
{
Gui, 1: Cancel
Gui, 2: Cancel
Gui, 3: Cancel
Gui, 4: Cancel
return
}

WinGetPos, x, y, w, h, ahk_id%id%
global border
global caption
x := x + border
y := y + border + caption
w := w - (2*border)
h := h - (2*border) - caption

;top
guinum := 1
Gui, %guinum%: +Alwaysontop +Lastfound +Owner
Gui, %guinum%: Color, %border_colour%
WinSet, Transparent, %trans%
Gui, %guinum%: -Caption
Gui, %guinum%: Show, w%w% h%border_size% x%x% y%y% NoActivate

;left
guinum++
Gui, %guinum%: +Alwaysontop +Lastfound +Owner
Gui, %guinum%: Color, %border_colour%
WinSet, Transparent, %trans%
Gui, %guinum%: -Caption
Gui, %guinum%: Show, w%border_size% h%h% x%x% y%y% NoActivate

;bottom
guinum++
Gui, %guinum%: +Alwaysontop +Lastfound +Owner
Gui, %guinum%: Color, %border_colour%
WinSet, Transparent, %trans%
Gui, %guinum%: -Caption
y2 := y + h - border_size
Gui, %guinum%: Show, w%w% h%border_size% x%x% y%y2% NoActivate

;right
guinum++
Gui, %guinum%: +Alwaysontop +Lastfound +Owner
Gui, %guinum%: Color, %border_colour%
WinSet, Transparent, %trans%
Gui, %guinum%: -Caption
x2 := x + w - border_size
Gui, %guinum%: Show, w%border_size% h%h% x%x2% y%y% NoActivate

if (mousemoveenabled)
{
x3 := x + ((w/4)*3)
y3 := y + ((h/4)*3)
;SoundBeep, 750, 100
Coordmode, Mouse, Screen
MouseMove, x3, y3, 0
}
}
}

EnableHighlight:
menu, tray, toggleCheck, EnableHighlight
highlightenabled := !highlightenabled
return

EnableActivateUnderMouse:
menu, tray, toggleCheck, EnableActivateUndermouse
activateundermousenabled := !activateundermousenabled
return

EnableMouseMove:
menu, tray, toggleCheck, EnableMouseMove
mousemoveenabled := !mousemoveenabled
return

EnableTimeBank:
menu, tray, toggleCheck, EnableTimeBank
timebankenabled := !timebankenabled
return

DisableAll:
menu, tray, unCheck, EnableActivateUndermouse
activateundermousenabled := false
menu, tray, unCheck, EnableHighlight
highlightenabled := false
menu, tray, unCheck, EnableTimeBank
timebankenabled := false
menu, tray, unCheck, EnableMouseMove
mousemoveenabled := false
return

Exit:
ExitApp
return
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

copy the text, paste it in notepad and name it RobinPFullTiltTools.ahk

install AutoHotkey and then you can double-click the file to activate it, or right click and select run script.
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