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Old 08-28-2009, 05:55 PM   #4351
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Interesting comment. What were your reasons for this statement? Do you think the games had drifted to where this was not optimal, but now have drifted to where it is once again optimal?
yeah, back in 2007 or so when 2+2 standard TAg was considered 13/10 to 15/12, there was some justification for playing looser to exploit. This led the regs to loosen up. But tables are now playing 20/9 and regs are playing 19/15 ish, so the correct adjustment is to tighten back up and exploit all the 19/15 regs who are getting in a bit too light.
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:56 PM   #4352
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True story.
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Old 08-28-2009, 06:00 PM   #4353
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Sux... I play 19/15 lol. FML.

I think there might be a lot to what you are saying though. Thanks for the expanding.
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Old 08-28-2009, 06:10 PM   #4354
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yeah, back in 2007 or so when 2+2 standard TAg was considered 13/10 to 15/12, there was some justification for playing looser to exploit. This led the regs to loosen up. But tables are now playing 20/9 and regs are playing 19/15 ish, so the correct adjustment is to tighten back up and exploit all the 19/15 regs who are getting in a bit too light.
I think there is a lot of play where people are trying to open up b/c they heard that is what they need to do, but I always thought if you played opposite of the table its a good way to make money. Like someone ask Berry G. one time
"When are you stop going to be a nit?"
"When people stop paying me off."
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Old 08-28-2009, 07:08 PM   #4355
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yeah, back in 2007 or so when 2+2 standard TAg was considered 13/10 to 15/12, there was some justification for playing looser to exploit. This led the regs to loosen up. But tables are now playing 20/9 and regs are playing 19/15 ish, so the correct adjustment is to tighten back up and exploit all the 19/15 regs who are getting in a bit too light.
Awesome to hear since I just changed my style to a 12/10ish type of game. Trying to get back to my true nit and stop getting in funny spots so much until I understand the funny spots a bit better. Has been +ev for my WR so far but to early to really tell.
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Old 08-28-2009, 07:42 PM   #4356
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well i'm a natural 12/10 give or take the day and circumstances - and how i'm feeling! and this month i ain't "feeling it"!!!



i've been pipped, coolered and have gotten my money in bad numerous times this month... my blind play is fairly atrocious and there are some big BvB hands involved but nonetheless, this is an area i need to work on... these are from the 25th... i didn't play but a few hundred hands the first week of august since my wife was home on vacation and we played quite a bit! (think she saved me some serious $$$) LOL



positionally i think i'm aware and i've been really taking it to the blinds w/steals... if i have the 12/10 "optimal" down... a few adjustments should get me nicely profitable, then more coaching sessions and some time with mpethy should be highly beneficial.

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Old 08-28-2009, 07:43 PM   #4357
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Obviously, it is still true that you can win playing most any reasonable style. And I definitely like a 19/15 style that is comprised of playing 22/18 against a tight and/or passive table and 15/12 against a loose and aggro table.

But if I had to pick an optimal style for beating an average table at $50 these days, I would definitely say something in the 13/10 range rather than the 19/15 range. Simply because of what sammy said; you will find yourself playing the opposite of the table most often.
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Old 08-28-2009, 07:45 PM   #4358
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EN09, your game looks pretty solid outside of the blinds. You need to open up there some more.

I am laughing my ass off that you are at 61% ats otb and your success rate is 50%; major adjustment failures against you.
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Old 08-28-2009, 07:46 PM   #4359
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You should play the style you feel most comfortable with, don't listen to people who say 16/12 is best etc..
You have guys who play 11/8 and make a ton as well, but you should try and improve your game as you play.


25 tables are pretty juicy atm.. too bad I can't win a single hand this session.

lol
Gonna put in another sess in about 30mins...must...play...10k..a...day. zombie mode.
GL at the tables.
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Old 08-28-2009, 07:47 PM   #4360
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you definitely could 3 bet more out of the blinds and flat call some more, too. play back a lot more at button stealers, either by 3 betting or by calling and then making a play about 1/3 of the time you miss the flop.
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Old 08-29-2009, 02:05 AM   #4361
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I have trouble at times with the suggestion that there is a right and wrong stat line. All i am saying is there are about 3-4 different styles that are all effective in their own ways and i would think that its easy enough to prove that each style has its advantages. From a personal standpoint i probably dont play 'optimally' in accordance with 2+2 law but i have found a strategy that is effective for me. I have numerous errors and they are partly masked by the fact that the competition i play with on a daily basis is too ******ed to a) know what they are or b) exploit them even if they know what they are.

I only mention it as i always see people striving to get into spots that they dont need to get in to just because they may be running 10/8 instead of 12/10 or 14/12. Find your spot and mold your stats around your own game.

Mpethy and others do a fantastic job in plugging leaks that you may have but playing within a natural style is not the worst thing at lower levels.
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Old 08-29-2009, 04:47 AM   #4362
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I have trouble at times with the suggestion that there is a right and wrong stat line. All i am saying is there are about 3-4 different styles that are all effective in their own ways and i would think that its easy enough to prove that each style has its advantages. From a personal standpoint i probably dont play 'optimally' in accordance with 2+2 law but i have found a strategy that is effective for me. I have numerous errors and they are partly masked by the fact that the competition i play with on a daily basis is too ******ed to a) know what they are or b) exploit them even if they know what they are.

I only mention it as i always see people striving to get into spots that they dont need to get in to just because they may be running 10/8 instead of 12/10 or 14/12. Find your spot and mold your stats around your own game.

Mpethy and others do a fantastic job in plugging leaks that you may have but playing within a natural style is not the worst thing at lower levels.
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Old 08-29-2009, 06:03 AM   #4363
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The thing with playing 22/18 over 11/9 is that the 22/18 gets double the opportunities to stack the fish.
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Old 08-29-2009, 10:26 AM   #4364
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I have trouble at times with the suggestion that there is a right and wrong stat line. All i am saying is there are about 3-4 different styles that are all effective in their own ways and i would think that its easy enough to prove that each style has its advantages. From a personal standpoint i probably dont play 'optimally' in accordance with 2+2 law but i have found a strategy that is effective for me. I have numerous errors and they are partly masked by the fact that the competition i play with on a daily basis is too ******ed to a) know what they are or b) exploit them even if they know what they are.

I only mention it as i always see people striving to get into spots that they dont need to get in to just because they may be running 10/8 instead of 12/10 or 14/12. Find your spot and mold your stats around your own game.

Mpethy and others do a fantastic job in plugging leaks that you may have but playing within a natural style is not the worst thing at lower levels.
Of course, it just goes with the classic saying, "There is more than one way to skin a cat." Not every 12/10 is created equal but given the less than perfect nature of the average micro poster it is a good guidline to stick to to keep them out of trouble. Playing 22/20 does give you way mroe oppurtunities to stack the fishies but if your a semifishy it gives you just as many times to get in trouble in get it in behind. I definatly think the better you are postflop the higher your vpip/pfr should be as long as the bulk of that range is in position.
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Old 08-29-2009, 02:16 PM   #4365
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The thing with playing 22/18 over 11/9 is that the 22/18 gets double the opportunities to stack the fish.
... and double the opportunities to get stacked by fish, ldo
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Old 08-29-2009, 02:26 PM   #4366
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

Any of you fulltilt guys play at stars also? I play at the 50nl level on both stars and FT, but for some reason my results on Pokerstars is way better than my results on FT. Do any of u guys see a big difference at nl50 on pokerstars and Fulltilt? Or am I just running pretty bad on FT?
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Old 08-29-2009, 02:32 PM   #4367
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Any of you fulltilt guys play at stars also? I play at the 50nl level on both stars and FT, but for some reason my results on Pokerstars is way better than my results on FT. Do any of u guys see a big difference at nl50 on pokerstars and Fulltilt? Or am I just running pretty bad on FT?
I've never played cash at stars, I was only there during my mess around years when i was still at school playing $5 reebs n stuff.

I've cashed my roll of tilt n im moving to ipoker at the beginning of next month. 50% RB here i coooommeeee!!!
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Old 08-29-2009, 03:03 PM   #4368
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I just muck about on Stars. Would consider switching for better benefits if I could get to 200nl -> SN/SNE. For now rakeback is king.
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Old 08-29-2009, 03:09 PM   #4369
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<---- getting dizzy watching Fareeds avatar

Time for a 100VPIP adventure at 2NL I think...
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LOL. Its Hypnotizing.
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Old 08-29-2009, 03:32 PM   #4371
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Easy game this 2NL

Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $2.76
Hero (BTN): $4.05
SB: $2.58
BB: $4.04
UTG: $1.21
UTG+1: $7.42
UTG+2: $4.18
MP1: $3.94
MP2: $1.96

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with J T
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.10, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.33) 9 Q 8 (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.90, UTG folds, MP1 raises to $3.84 all in, Hero calls $2.94

Turn: ($8.01) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($8.01) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $8.01
Hero shows J T (a straight, King high)
MP1 shows A A (a pair of Aces)
Hero wins $7.48
(Rake: $0.53)
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Any of you fulltilt guys play at stars also? I play at the 50nl level on both stars and FT, but for some reason my results on Pokerstars is way better than my results on FT. Do any of u guys see a big difference at nl50 on pokerstars and Fulltilt? Or am I just running pretty bad on FT?
Stars is super soft compared to FT NL50. I played on stars for like 3 weeks when FTP's software was acting up. Sad thing is, it was so soft and I was on a huge downswing as soon as I got on Stars. Would have made atleast 1k in those 3 weeks with super low volume at that time.
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Old 08-30-2009, 04:00 AM   #4373
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[x] 150$ spew
[x] He had the wrong odds to setmine...
[x] FML

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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UTG+1: $82.95
MP1: $100.00
MP2: $51.40
CO: $404.95
BTN: $200.00
SB: $102.00
Hero (BB): $153.90
UTG: $111.90

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with A T
3 folds, MP2 raises to $3, CO calls $3, BTN calls $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $15, 2 folds, BTN calls $12

Flop: ($36.50) 8 6 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $25, BTN calls $25

Turn: ($86.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $50, BTN calls $50

River: ($186.50) K (2 players)
Hero bets $63.90 all in, BTN calls $63.90

Final Pot: $314.30
BTN shows 6 6 (four of a kind, Sixes)
Hero shows A T (a pair of Sixes)
BTN wins $311.30
(Rake: $3.00)
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Old 08-30-2009, 04:23 AM   #4374
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he was quad mining ldo
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Old 08-30-2009, 05:22 AM   #4375
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imfromsweden you are my hero.... i wish i could 3 barrel bluff as much as you do

valiant attempt on the river though
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