So I have been breaking even for about 100k hands over the last whatever months. This follows being a consistent winner for a couple years and moving up. This also coincides with moving to deep stack tables. Are there too many regs at these to make money? Where do you guys sit? I try to table select if there are enough to pick from but it is usually on the cusp of exactly the number of tables I usually play. Move back to regular tables? Thanks

Steve, @25nl I've been playing the deep tables and not table selecting and been doing fine. Dunno about higher.

I don't know what works for you though. Maybe try regular tables again for a bit and see how it goes.

I had a table last night that wouldn't let me rebuy. The more ships screen would just disappear every time I moused over it. Just one table. Very frustrating.

++ session last night, I'm rebuilt. 50nl tonight.

No worries, I'll be back to 25 tomorrow.

Noticed the exact same thing finally, granted probably at lower stakes than you and a smaller sample. I started playing half decent volume back in the middle of June and over my first 10-15k hands I was like 9PTBB/100 (I understand that this is not sustainable but I am only playing 10NL) but then over the next 25k hands my winrate was basically just above breakeven. Just last week I finally realized the difference was the initial hands were played at "regular" tables and the breakeven stretch was at deep tables. I promptly went back to regular tables and my win rate has improved again.

Now, I'll be the first to admit that one of my serious leaks is going too far with TP and two pair but I actually buy in to the deep tables for 100bb just like I would on a regular table so it's not like I am getting it in on the flop with TP for 200bb either way.

Ultimately I think the difference is that at the deep tables you are far less likely to find the noobs that help inflate your winrate. Sure they are there, but if you think about it, if you are a noob you are most likely to sit down at a Full Ring table without some sort of funky icon next to it.

I just wish that FTP would make the regular tables 50bb min and assign some funky icon for tables where you can buy in for 20. This way the short stackers can go play their game against each other and the noobs will just continue to sit at the "regular" tables with the 100bb+ crowd.

Yes, I know this is greedy.

I'm now rolled for 25 but am waiting for Kurt to move up to 50! Keep us updated.

Steve,

I find the 50nl deep stack tables are considerably tougher than the regular tables. However table selecting around all the SS'ers is a major pain in the butt, but that is also where all the fish are. However at night, I don't find the deep tables as reg infested.

i switch back and forth between DS and reg tables... using the table scanner in HEM to only bring up tables with no more than 2 SS'ers has helped table selection quite a bit... if i'm playing DS 25NL i'll have TS set to update every 15 minutes and when a table gets below a certain VPIP i drop it and add another...

EN,

I want to change the definition of SS in table manger, do you know if this is possible? I tried the HEM lounge and forum to no evail. I want to know who are under 20bb, not under 40bb as it is the default.

Greedy my shiny white ***. All tables should be 50-200bb buyin. Let the shortstackers petition the site for 20bb tables and shorter rathole times!

CAP tables are perfect for those that want to play short and they don't have to leave when their stack increases.

i've followed a couple fo threads on this but haven't come up with an answer myself... have you emailed support?

I haven't emailed support but the guy that runs the HEM thread at 2p2 didn't know the answer and he told me to post in the Table Scanner forum but that didn't work out cuz there was a mixup between table scanner and table manager and they didn't understand the difference.

Do you know what the support email is?

doesn't look like there is a direct email to support from their "support" page!

i did come across your thread awhile back and was waiting patiently to see a decent response to it... as for my scanner like i said, i dropped it to between 0 and 2 SS's and when the table opens i check the seat selection and actual size of the SSer - then either sit or wait for another table. it beats sifting through the ftp lobby while multi-tabling... never really utilized the forum on 2p2 but my game sucks so bad i can't get all balled up over the small details! lol

I played 700 at NL100, 1K hand at NL50 and 500 hands at NL25 last night.....

I once had a problem with HEM and just went ahead and emailed support@holdemmanager.net, got pretty fast response and awesome support, including teamviewer-ing me for an hour and then hard-coding a fix and sending me a custom freshly compiled version.

does that mean 100nl didnt go to well?

100NL BE- tables were bad, too many SS and regs and didn't feel like fighting the rake, 50NL small profit but in a rollercoaster way. 25NL I was just messing around with some concepts.

at 25NL right now i'm messin' around with the concept of "winning"... whadda u workin' on???

bet sizing, FE and SDE.

i see HEM has a new module/add-on out called 'LeakBuster'... the trial says i'm too tight (12/10), don't limp/iso enough behind bad players (PFR/VPIP Ratio of 85.7%), and fold the blinds too much (90%)while 3 betting out of the SB too often (7.8%).

has anyone else given it a shot or have an opinion on an add-on like this? the Pro version is $79.99 and the SS version is $49.99...

I'd rather spend that money on a Leakfinder session with mpethybridge, I think that will be more detailed, helpful, accurate and awesome.

agreed... i picked up some coaching with Split (which i haven't gotten to yet!) and after a few sessions my plans are to play approx 50k hands and then have mpethy do a review for me... unless i go busto!

I hesitate to bad mouth the HEM folks, but if they are telling you that 12/10 is "too tight," then they are doing what we have always advocated not doing--trying to get you to play for pretty stats.

Unless they are also going to teach you to hand read, range opponents, analyze board texture and explain the spots in which they think you should be opening up, they are doing you a huge disservice by telling you simply that 12/10 is "too tight."

Also, anybody who tells you that 12/10 is too tight is ****ed in the head anyway; 12/10 is back to being pretty close to optimal, imo.

I guess they just assume 6max stats or so? All their articles were based on 6max, but idk.

(Your first - and more important - point is of course still valid)

lol, I didn't even consider that they might have been assuming 6m. If it doesn't analyze stats with 6m or FR taken into account, then it is definitely counterproductive.

otoh, it'd be fun if every fish with HEM starts playing 26/20 at FR. lololol.

Interesting comment. What were your reasons for this statement? Do you think the games had drifted to where this was not optimal, but now have drifted to where it is once again optimal?