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Old 08-02-2009, 09:16 PM   #3626
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

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a quick HU question. Is it ok to 5-bet shove AQo. The action when i started the table vs a reg was like this.

reg on button, I am on the bb.

reg minraises, i 3-bet pot, reg-4 bets pot to 10$, i 5-bet shove?
standard, especially a loose reg like me, after the ******ed minraise (not used to FTP, and had numlock on oops) A cooler especially headsup.
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Old 08-02-2009, 09:18 PM   #3627
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Old 08-02-2009, 09:25 PM   #3628
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standard, especially a loose reg like me, after the ******ed minraise (not used to FTP, and had numlock on oops) A cooler especially headsup.


What's you're stacking off range there?
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Old 08-02-2009, 09:45 PM   #3629
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i am not actually not worried about the stackoff range as i am totally crushed by that range. It would be interesting to know if the minraise 4-betting range is much wider than the stackoff range.

I wouldn't think anybody stacks of with something worse than AQ, ldo. so 22+, AQo+ is not good vs AQ. But a more realistic range for the call would be TT+, AQs+.

Since I 3-bet a minraise I would assume the 4-betting range to be wide. Something like 22+, AJs+, KQs+, sometimes include AT, A9+ as well.
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Old 08-02-2009, 09:46 PM   #3630
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I may very well be wrong and spewy. thats why i ask.
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Old 08-02-2009, 09:57 PM   #3631
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on 2nd thought might be slight spew, just based off of my opinion of you as a nit, heh. But how are you supposed to know that? I'm not stacking off there against Zug with worse than A/q. But me not being used to FTP and doing the weird minraise thingy helped to make stacking off easier.
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Old 08-02-2009, 09:59 PM   #3632
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situations vary, but I could very well be 4-betting a/10/j/9 KQs random sc
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Old 08-02-2009, 10:00 PM   #3633
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norr ul. gl in the 750k
min cash (for now) lol. had like 4k left with 500/1k blinds at the bubble so close but tripled up instantly afterwards. yep qq < ato. **** mtts so tilted lol

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Old 08-02-2009, 10:51 PM   #3634
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i am not actually not worried about the stackoff range as i am totally crushed by that range. It would be interesting to know if the minraise 4-betting range is much wider than the stackoff range.

I wouldn't think anybody stacks of with something worse than AQ, ldo. so 22+, AQo+ is not good vs AQ. But a more realistic range for the call would be TT+, AQs+.

Since I 3-bet a minraise I would assume the 4-betting range to be wide. Something like 22+, AJs+, KQs+, sometimes include AT, A9+ as well.


Maybe flat his 4bet? To me shoving seems spewy as we only end up getting it in against his range that has us crush but we allow him to fold the part of his range we have crushed. I know shoving gives us FE and a chance to pick up the dead money but as I said we're only getting FE against hands we're either a 75% fav against or a 60% fav against like KJs. If villain is capable of folding small PP's in which we're a slight dog to then shoving is probably fine. Unless I've histroy with a reg I'm folding to the 4bet though.
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Old 08-03-2009, 03:05 AM   #3635
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

So I moved up from 2NL to 5NL (yay) by manually adding $50 (not so yay but what the hell). I played 2 sessions and boy are these people tight! I rarely see people with VPIPs > 20, lots of tight guys, lots of stealing from me then but the tables do feel very different.

Is it me, is it just a random variance effect, or is 5NL really that much tighter than 2NL? I don't see any of the 60/4 whales around :-(
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Old 08-03-2009, 03:56 AM   #3636
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althoguht we are ahead of the range i think flatting is bad coz we are OOP and we are gonna miss a ton of flops where he can take the pot from the best hand. So i am not a fan of flatting, thought flatting and playing tough poker might be most +EV.

shoving should not be that much of -EV. vs a nit like m_hood i think folding is ok yeah i should have folded, was misguided by the minraise and then repop. If it had been standard raise and standard 4-bet I would have folded.
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:03 AM   #3637
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Is it me, is it just a random variance effect, or is 5NL really that much tighter than 2NL? I don't see any of the 60/4 whales around :-(
Vinnie, they were all with me on the 200NL tables this weekend....

Saturday was

Sunday was

Seriously, I am SURE it is a sample size issue. Have patience....good skill to have for poker anyway, wouldn't you say?
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:31 AM   #3638
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

vinnie2k,

just way for a dude like me moving down because I am tilted or drunk and spew off money like major with a 90/60 vpip pre

every time I have such a player on my own table I believe it's al 400/600 nl player going crazy
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:51 AM   #3639
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SHROMI:

hands : 10000
$ : 451.87
bb/100 : 18.01
vpip : 12.7
pfr : 9.1
3bet : 2.9
fold to 3bet : 55.3
wtsd% : 23.0
agg : 2.75
steal pct :31.2
flop cbet : 61.6
raise flop cbet : 17.3
turn cbet : 46.4
fold fold vs cbet : 57.1
fold turn vs cbet : 46.7

He obviously run super good -> set% 36.1%

I hope it will help you.
hes solid i dont get too fancy with him , tight range
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:55 AM   #3640
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a quick HU question. Is it ok to 5-bet shove AQo. The action when i started the table vs a reg was like this.

reg on button, I am on the bb.
reg minraises, i 3-bet pot, reg-4 bets pot to 10$, i 5-bet shove?
I think its ok, though -EV in a vacuum to 5-bet ship here. It would definitely have to be a reg that I expected to play again because good or bad, shipping should force them to remove alot of bluffs from their 4bet range.

Was min-raising standard for this reg or something they started doing to combat aggro 3betting from you? If they're adjusting then I'd be more hesitant, the min-raise prices them into flatting 3bets with the range of hands your dominating, so when they 4bet I'd expect to see mostly the top of their range with some random bluffs.

If they were always min-raising, had very high 3/4bet stats or I'd seen them call off with 22-99 then I'd be inclined to just ship and hope I'm flipping vs a good chunk of their range or they fold.
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:16 AM   #3641
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Hi guys. I'm moving back to Full Tilt because of the bonus and because I like rakeback too much but is the new HEM Hud working all right with Full Tilt now? I was using a free hud program from way back but unfortunately it has stopped working with the new update. Holdem Manager is the best option right?
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:20 AM   #3642
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yeah hem works. Just make sure to get the latest beta from their site.
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Old 08-03-2009, 12:48 PM   #3643
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I think its ok, though -EV in a vacuum to 5-bet ship here. It would definitely have to be a reg that I expected to play again because good or bad, shipping should force them to remove alot of bluffs from their 4bet range.

Was min-raising standard for this reg or something they started doing to combat aggro 3betting from you? If they're adjusting then I'd be more hesitant, the min-raise prices them into flatting 3bets with the range of hands your dominating, so when they 4bet I'd expect to see mostly the top of their range with some random bluffs.

If they were always min-raising, had very high 3/4bet stats or I'd seen them call off with 22-99 then I'd be inclined to just ship and hope I'm flipping vs a good chunk of their range or they fold.
Already stated was due to me not being used to ftp and messing up. Wouldve been a standard 3x 3bet.
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:12 PM   #3644
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Oh I see, thanks Perferction.

Hopefully they fix it before I try moving up, heh.
Thanks for bringing that up Kurt, I had the same question, will have to try to get down to 1 filter (had 1 for NL and 1 for PL low limit).
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Old 08-03-2009, 04:33 PM   #3645
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f*ck it sucks that you cant start tables after it reaches a certain amount. i hate waitlisting games
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Old 08-03-2009, 04:34 PM   #3646
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also... can anyone tell me how the hell you set up a moneybookers account using your bank account since i refuse to use visa.
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Old 08-03-2009, 06:22 PM   #3647
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WOOOOO $500 bonus!
I got $500 also. I'm not really a low volume player. 7 or 8 'gold' months in a row now.

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lol when the hell was that i dont remember winnin a pot like that in like 10 minutes
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Old 08-03-2009, 06:46 PM   #3648
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LOL @ zugz cussing at me in chat earlier.

I think I messed up his set of Queens vs. a fish.
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Old 08-03-2009, 06:48 PM   #3649
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also... can anyone tell me how the hell you set up a moneybookers account using your bank account since i refuse to use visa.
Make your account and once you've done that you can add bank accounts. You have to deposit a small amount (maybe 50$) from your bank account to your moneybookers account to validate it. Once you've done that you're ready to go!

It's been a long time since I've made mine though so I could be wrong
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Old 08-03-2009, 06:52 PM   #3650
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oh that was you from 2p2. sorry about that. but i was really pissed you squeezed my UTG open and the fish went on some random rant. I had to bet bigger because i was hoping to get stacks in vs your perceived KK, AA whatever.

btw are you really not ibizza on pokerstars? just wanted to know!

sorry about the berating!
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