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Old 07-07-2009, 04:45 PM   #2501
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

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What do you think?


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $47.25
Hero (BB): $55.25

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with Q T
BTN/SB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.00) 3 3 A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $1, Hero raises to $3, BTN/SB raises to $8, Hero raises to $16, BTN/SB folds

(I'm gonna post my thinking as well as my reads a later)
SO spewy. Congrats on the one time that you make him fold his Ax or he doesn't have the 3.
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Old 07-07-2009, 04:47 PM   #2502
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yeti theorem...
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Old 07-07-2009, 04:51 PM   #2503
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

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What do you think?


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $47.25
Hero (BB): $55.25

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with Q T
BTN/SB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.00) 3 3 A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $1, Hero raises to $3, BTN/SB raises to $8, Hero raises to $16, BTN/SB folds

(I'm gonna post my thinking as well as my reads a later)
you must have some very good reads on this villian to pull a trick like this

Okay, Im a bit fancy with my hands and like to bluf a lot (ask kflip), but this is pretty bad without any very good reads
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Old 07-07-2009, 04:55 PM   #2504
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

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Okay, Im a bit fancy with my hands and like to bluf a lot (ask kflip)
Confirmed. See his location.

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Old 07-07-2009, 05:01 PM   #2505
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funny, so he raises every hand from the button but you dont think a 3 or an A is in his range? haha

lol @ confirmed.
I got some too funny fancy hands to show yo
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Old 07-07-2009, 05:23 PM   #2506
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

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AA, consider it professional courtesy.
so I was thinking about this hand.. Why not flat the 3bet. I had around $50, pot would of been $11 with $44 behind and its a 3bet pot between two nits. Even though you are OOP for the rest of the hand, you really are in good shape?

Was it my highish (relative) 3bet% from the BTN?
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Old 07-07-2009, 05:27 PM   #2507
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

AAAAAAARgh Shortstacks...!

I'm steaming off at Steam at Team Fortress 2 brb
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Old 07-07-2009, 05:38 PM   #2508
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

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you must have some very good reads on this villian to pull a trick like this

Okay, Im a bit fancy with my hands and like to bluf a lot (ask kflip), but this is pretty bad without any very good reads
Right.

But is a guy matching this profile ever 3betting an ace in this spot? Why would he? He likes to blow me off top pair; he's a tricky trappy player, why would he try to scare me away by 3betting on the flop? It doesn't make sense!

I'm pritty sure he would have just called with an ace, and even more so with a trey. Trapped me. Gotten more money out of me by pretending he's weak.

Also, there was the timing. He thought for like 2 seconds before raising, which to me felt like he was full of ****.

When I put all of these facts together, it seems unlikely he has anything here. So I go ahead and 4bet.

Ofc, if he's very good he could have realized I would have thought like this, but I highly doubt it.

And yes, I realize this is thin.
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Old 07-07-2009, 05:40 PM   #2509
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

imforsweden,
Against guys like those your approach can work, but you are trying to out crazy an insane person...tough to do.

With those guys, I rather get a hand that has relative value and close my eyes and call for three streets, unless it gets nutty were I look to sweeten the pot some how.
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Old 07-07-2009, 05:43 PM   #2510
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

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When I put all of these facts together, it seems unlikely he has anything here. So I go ahead and 4bet.
Well played.

But the master flats the 3bet and check-minraises the turn to watch him fold and make a little more manies.
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Old 07-07-2009, 05:46 PM   #2511
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Ah damn, why didn't I think of that? That would have been so awsome
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Old 07-07-2009, 06:25 PM   #2512
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so I was thinking about this hand.. Why not flat the 3bet. I had around $50, pot would of been $11 with $44 behind and its a 3bet pot between two nits. Even though you are OOP for the rest of the hand, you really are in good shape?

Was it my highish (relative) 3bet% from the BTN?
I said what it was; it was professional courtesy; I was simply letting you get away from a second best hand cheaply, if you so chose.
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Old 07-07-2009, 06:41 PM   #2513
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

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I said what it was; it was professional courtesy; I was simply letting you get away from a second best hand cheaply, if you so chose.
thanks, I made a huge mistake 3betting it to begin with, and of course you gave me the opportunity to outlevel myself....which I do often.
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Old 07-07-2009, 06:43 PM   #2514
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thanks, I made a huge mistake 3betting it to begin with, and of course you gave me the opportunity to outlevel myself....which I do often.
there were quite a few people to act after you, weren't there? If so, I am not sure it is that big of a mistake to 3 bet it.
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Old 07-07-2009, 06:46 PM   #2515
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

its not a huge mistake, mpethybridge raises more then AA i hope?
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Old 07-07-2009, 06:53 PM   #2516
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

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there were quite a few people to act after you, weren't there? If so, I am not sure it is that big of a mistake to 3 bet it.
I was the BTN, I can't remember if there was a limper.

My thinking went like this

"Oh, shoot mpethy is here....I am scarrred"

"OOOH, Laides, I like Ladies, raisy daisy..and I am on the BTN these guys got to be sick of me now"

"Oh shoot Mpethy raise......let's see, good hand to flat and play position...but he won't expect me to raise QQ, he would expect me to flat, and only raise the bottom and top of my range. Let's raise, that will show him..DANG IT he 4bet me and the bet size was big enough he can't fold, so its not a bluff".

"AK, AK, AK, AK, AK.........AA/KK, fold...I am ******ed."
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Old 07-07-2009, 07:55 PM   #2517
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

A massive whale managed to lose at least 10buy-ins at NL 25 in 100 hands, epic spew. Also Who's the Jim Mcmanus fella? I was sitting at a NL 25 with him today, I've seen him on a few 50nl tables as well. I'd love to be a redpro, the waitlist are always 25 players deep, it's like a fish magnet.
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Old 07-07-2009, 08:06 PM   #2518
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Also Who's the Jim Mcmanus fella?
Professional author, and I guess technically professional poker player too. He wrote the book "Positivly Fifth Street", which is actually an really good read and one of the reasons I got into poker. But its full of nitty luckboxing his way to the ME FT, so read it like a story, do not read it for strat advice.
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Old 07-07-2009, 08:06 PM   #2519
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^The waitlist for the 25NL table with Jim Mcmanus was 57 players at one point.
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Old 07-07-2009, 08:49 PM   #2520
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

Posting in here because it's SH.
Villain is 34/16 - seems kind of passive(limp SB playing HU etc.)

$25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 3 players
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SB: $15.47
Hero (BB): $25.00
BTN: $22.19

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with Q Q
BTN calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, BTN calls $1

Flop: ($2.60) 9 6 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.00, BTN calls $2

Turn: ($6.60) T (2 players)
Hero bets $5.00, BTN raises to $18.94

I'm not entirely sure villain has adjusted to SH-play the way he's been playing. Apologies for HH ITT, esp. if it's super-standard.
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Old 07-07-2009, 09:14 PM   #2521
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

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imforsweden,
Against guys like those your approach can work, but you are trying to out crazy an insane person...tough to do.

With those guys, I rather get a hand that has relative value and close my eyes and call for three streets, unless it gets nutty were I look to sweeten the pot some how.
+1. closing your eyes sometimes fails, too.
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Old 07-07-2009, 09:27 PM   #2522
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

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Posting in here because it's SH.
Villain is 34/16 - seems kind of passive(limp SB playing HU etc.)

$25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 3 players
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SB: $15.47
Hero (BB): $25.00
BTN: $22.19

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with Q Q
BTN calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, BTN calls $1

Flop: ($2.60) 9 6 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.00, BTN calls $2

Turn: ($6.60) T (2 players)
Hero bets $5.00, BTN raises to $18.94

I'm not entirely sure villain has adjusted to SH-play the way he's been playing. Apologies for HH ITT, esp. if it's super-standard.
With passive read, I'd fold (and hope he shows). With spewmonkey read, I'd call. I'm assuming you've not seen him do this in any other hand. I'd need to have seen him do this a few times before I'd call. Spewmonkey would do this with a pair (not even top pair) or a draw (hearts or JQ). Passive might have two pair (T9), straight (87) or set TT.
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Old 07-07-2009, 09:46 PM   #2523
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We could do with a chicagojoey like figure at FT to make this thread more entertaining with spewtastic graphs, who's up for the job?
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Old 07-07-2009, 09:47 PM   #2524
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Re: ***Official 2009 Micro Stakes FR Full Tilt Regulars Thread***

I played this hand against Jim McManus the other night. My reasoning for not betting the flop at the time was because I was playing super lag and I knew he was looking to c/r me with most of his range, but I don't think I mind getting c/r'd too much in this spot now that I think about it.

But enough about my play, his was pretty bad. If he just 3bets me pre I'm done with the hand.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($5)
BB ($51.38)
UTG ($12.01)
UTG+1 ($18.11)
UTG+2 ($33.14)
MP1 ($31.46)
MP2 ($5.01)
Hero ($35.01)
BTN ($7.43)

Dealt to Hero TK

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.85, fold, fold, BB calls $0.60,

FLOP ($1.80) QQA

check, check,

TURN ($1.80) QQA3

check, Hero bets $1.25, BB raises to $3.50, Hero calls $2.25,

RIVER ($8.80) QQA3A

check, check,

BB shows J4
(Flop 8.1%, Turn 6.8%)

Hero shows TK
(Flop 91.9%, Turn 93.2%)

Hero wins $8.36
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Old 07-07-2009, 11:32 PM   #2525
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Hey all, First post here, hope everyone is winning.
Bored at work, so i mite join in the fun.
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