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A while ago a friend chastised my leak of rarely playing for stacks preflop with AK. I've been getting it in pre deep against AK so often the past few weeks, I'm starting to think that my friend is totally right.

meh. in 2mm+ hands of poker I have won two 100bb+ stacks aipf with AK, and one of those was a pretty gross suck out on KK. I have easily lost 10 times that many.

Shipping AK was one of my biggest leaks before I stopped doing it except in exceptional circumstances. nd even limiting myself to what I think are exceptional circumstances still has me losing $$ shipping AK.

YMMV, as I have a long history as an uber-nit, and I am starting to realize that most players are NEVER doing anything light against me, and thinking they might be is my #1 leak.

12-21-2009 , 02:07 PM

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Equus asinus

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Originally Posted by mpethybridge

Yeah, I definitely think getting AK in pre profitably is contingent upon 3 betting a decent amount. If you are only 3 betting 3.x% and you get it in against an aware villain you are definitely not going to be flipping. Also, there has to be dead money for it to be profitable.

12-21-2009 , 02:12 PM

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Cangurino

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Am I the only one here who usually flats AK IP?

12-21-2009 , 02:15 PM

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SammyG-SD

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Originally Posted by Cangurino

Am I the only one here who usually flats AK IP?

it depends, I've flat, I've 3bet, I've minraise, I've folded.....

12-21-2009 , 02:17 PM

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I've folded OOP... not sure about IP. But yeah, against a nit raising UTG I'd consider it due to RIO.

12-21-2009 , 02:18 PM

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shipping AK is hugely dependent on image

If you run 10/8 and get it in w/ AK pre, it's likely pretty bad

If you run 18/16 with 6% 3b there are plenty of spots where shipping it is fine/standard (although mainly still in CO/BTN/blinds kinda spots)

12-21-2009 , 02:19 PM

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don't forget villain's image either. getting it in against a 55/30 with AK is pretty close to a fistpump

12-21-2009 , 02:57 PM

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On the subject of AK pre, those that don't want to get it in pre r u talking about not wanting to call A 5 bet shove or not wantin to 5bet with it? I ask cause with the amount that people 4bet bluff lately its uber profitable to be 5bet shipping with

12-21-2009 , 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pele02

This one is resized, does it look as bad as yours?

Think it looks about the same as mine came out. Thanks for helping me with this. Apparently I need to learn how to mess around with paint more.

12-21-2009 , 03:08 PM

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Played around a bit in photoshop

Snap just saw this one that you made. Now I have a decision. Might have to start rotating.

12-21-2009 , 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jasons0147

I think these posts covered it.

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Originally Posted by HappyPixel

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Originally Posted by luka allen

don't forget villain's image either. getting it in against a 55/30 with AK is pretty close to a fistpump

In my career, shipping AK has been hugely unprofitable. I see AA more often than I see any other hand, and I cannot recall ever having seen a 100bb stack ship worse than QQ against me while I was holding AK. It may have happened, but I don't recall it.

12-21-2009 , 03:22 PM

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I hate you mpethy...you got me sucked into a thread started by your gimmick account.....

12-21-2009 , 03:29 PM

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I hate you mpethy...you got me sucked into a thread started by your gimmick account.....

I'll lock it as a favor to you, if you want. I was on the fence, anyway.

12-21-2009 , 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by #1ThunderFan

Think it looks about the same as mine came out. Thanks for helping me with this. Apparently I need to learn how to mess around with photoshop more.

FYP

12-21-2009 , 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pele02

FYP

but photoshop is so dang expensive lol. I dont have it on my nice desktop but think i might have a copy on my crappy laptop. Guess I will have to try and play around with it more.

12-21-2009 , 03:32 PM

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I'll lock it as a favor to you, if you want. I was on the fence, anyway.

leave it open for a while........

12-21-2009 , 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mpethybridge

of course you're going to lose money when you get called. now if they fold QQ/AK...

12-21-2009 , 03:41 PM

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i mean it's kind of like the responding to 3bets, your goal isn't to win money doing it it's to minimize loss, right? even if you lose when you get AK in that doesn't mean that folding doesn't lose you more (or less, for that matter). you can probably say better than i can given the DBs you've looked at but it just seems to follow that you would lose money when you get called but that's not what the metric should be.

12-21-2009 , 04:18 PM

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leave it open for a while........

I regret that now.....

12-21-2009 , 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pele02

Played around a bit in photoshop

lol just saw the gift in his hand. definatly going with the one your created. way to epic.

12-21-2009 , 05:07 PM

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lol just saw the gift in his hand. definatly going with the one your created. way to epic.

Yeah I thought it would be cool to replace the ball with a gift

"Santa Kevin delivering"

12-21-2009 , 05:12 PM

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Can anybody fold this at 50NL? I can dodge bullets baby!

Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): $130.45
SB: $255.15
BB: $128.70
UTG: $51.40
UTG+1: $280.40
UTG+2: $29.75
MP1: $51.00
MP2: $57.20
CO: $39.05

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with K

UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, SB raises to $9, 1 fold, UTG raises to $32.40, 2 folds, SB raises to $55.80, UTG calls $19 all in

Flop: ($107.30) 4