I need your help guys ..

Ive gone back to 6 max and will be getting some coaching of a good player from another forum ..

But it has thrown up a debate about why i played FR for so long, it has got other FR players questioning why they play FR and not 6 max ..

Im looking for some feed back from you FR regs as to the merits of FR over 6 max ..

Im defending FR as i have too because i played it for so long ... but the arguement that FR is a better option than 6 max is pretty thin .

I can understand that FR is more appealing at $100nl plus as you can get some decent returns on bonus's / RB etc and playing a load of tables increases this nicely ..

FR at stakes of $25 or lower seems more of a grind than a lucrative proposition... i should know

But in todays FR enviroment you are faced with a shed load more short stackers, a low level of fishes and the ones that are out there are attacked by 7 regs ..

You are also faced with very nitty types from whom you simply cant make a lot of money off over time .

Does the game become an auto pilot scenario with set mining and hopefully some coolers thrown in .. ?

What about post flop decisions ... ? are they less important because players are so tight preflop ...

The FR games are so much tougher nowadays .. even down to the micro levels ...

I know its not all doom and gloom ... just want to hear some positive arguements so i can defend the merits of FR in the other forum ..

What are your goals for the future .. ? .. does every player just want to increase his hourly rate by playing more and more tables ?

Lokking forward to some decent insight into your FR thinking

cheers

DDAWD, fold pre please!

I hate poker, I hate FullTilt, and I hate their friggin software.

Computer randomly restarted a few times while I was playing, then would just not turn on, went to the store, bought new power supply, to go and lose 4BI...for the second day in a row. ugh.

ftp support is taking a week already to awnser my mail. gg

Based on my limited experience, you can shorten the time they need to respond drastically by using profanity in your emails. They will ask you to stop doing that, but they will do so timely, and they will also send an answer that was typed by a human being. It's like a support quality switch.

Ok guys -- after dealing with a few "life bad beats" recently I'm ready to hit the felt once again. Last time i played (over the summer) I got a bit roughed up @ 50nl (thank God for rakeback!!!) ....

A little coaching, a little time to reflect -- and lower limits. But I needs me some motivation so here's my proposition!!

Playing exclusively $25NL fr
To win $500 in less than 40,000 hands
(tracked by PT3)

I'm willing to put $20 upright against the first few of you who PM me for this friendly wager.

Pleas do!

I keep thinking about doing sorta-this too, but mine wouldn't come out nearly as nice or pretty!

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Calling pre was actually the one decision I didn't think was spew.

What do you think? Someone with 30/2 raises 5bb preflop? Don' t you think I have the implied odds to try and catch 2pair or trips?

It wasn't even soooooooted!

+1

And I have no problem to admit I am struggling

lol, get the email 10 minutes after having posted this. Almost as if they read 2+2. Kinda funny still how it takes them 1 week to send 1 hh.

Jos....we play FR because you play FR.

Didn't you get the memo?

With a SC I could see calling b/c then you can hit a straight, FD, 2-pair. With 95o there is a 2% (ok I looked it up) chance of you hitting 2-pair and trips is like 1.3%. Meh, I can't see any point in calling that, not enough equity imo.

Equity is overrated.

Why pay full price when you can get 9 for the price of 6?

Try PokerStars -- their software is pretty good (ducks)

We're not amused.

Villain was a 36/14 spazz. The flop min c/r gave me the red flag and my instincts were to fold. But I felt he could be doing this with a draws or a worse Ace. So I called the c/r then got myself into a predicament with TPTK and flush draw with 1 to come, and over the committment threshold. A 36/2 and I might get away on the flop... Total spew, over thinking the hand or is a hand like this worth calling the min c/r?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($60.15)
BB ($93.40)
UTG ($143)
Hero ($50.20)
UTG+2 ($50)
MP1 ($55.55)
CO ($101)
BTN ($51.35)

Dealt to Hero A K
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, fold, MP1 calls $2.50, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $2

FLOP ($8.25) 6 7 A
UTG checks, Hero bets $6.70, MP1 folds, UTG raises to $13.40, Hero calls $6.70

TURN ($35.05) 6 7 A 9

UTG bets $35.05, Hero calls/folds???


What about here??? Villain 14/11 9k hands. Generally I haven't completed this type of hand in the past (superNit). I felt with two others in there I would take a flop and see what developed.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($49.70)
Hero ($50.75)
UTG ($53.25)
UTG+1 ($87.60)
UTG+2 ($82.50)
MP1 ($50.75)
MP2 ($50)
CO ($50)
BTN ($25.15)

Dealt to Hero A J
fold, fold, UTG+2 raises to $1.50, fold, fold, CO calls $1.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $1

FLOP ($4.75) 3 7 J
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, CO bets $3, Hero raises to $8.50, UTG+2 folds, CO calls $5.50

TURN ($21.75) 3 7 J Q
Hero bets $16.50, CO calls $16.50

RIVER ($54.75) 3 7 J Q Q
Hero checks, CO checks

Hero shows A J
(Pre 61%, Flop 57.4%, Turn 68.2%)

CO shows 9 T
(Pre 39%, Flop 42.6%, Turn 31.8%)

CO wins $52.05

NSFW

#1 is an easy call.


had the exact opposite session from yesterday, feels good.

Wow, I didn't think it was that low. According to stove, I had about a 15% chance of winning the hand preflop. Not a whole lot worse than setmining.

you don't need to see 5 cards to setmine

Yeah but when you setmine you have a made hand that has some SD value against AK, AQ type hands. 95o has about 0.000001% SD imo

But 15% is if you ship it pre, right? Like you can hit a 1 card straight or flush that's why it's higher. The odds I wrote is only the chance of flopping those hands, not AI pre with 5 cards to come.

Edit: I don't think you need to ever play like that in the micros. Focus on value betting and that sort of stuff instead.

The raise on the turn or river have always spelled trouble for me; I've lost 2-3 BI trying to convince myself about it :-)

Maybe I've just been nitty but until now I've never really seen the benefit of playing Q8o.





Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $91.20
BB: $28.25
UTG: $152.65
Hero (UTG+1): $57.55
UTG+2: $34.50
MP1: $50.00
MP2: $142.70
CO: $114.80
BTN: $58.75

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG+1 with A A
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, MP2 calls $2, 1 fold, BTN calls $2, 1 fold, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($8.25) Q Q Q (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, MP2 folds, BTN folds, BB calls $4

Turn: ($16.25) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB calls $8

River: ($32.25) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $14.25 all in, Hero calls $14.25

Final Pot: $60.75
BB shows Q 8 (four of a kind, Queens)
Hero mucks A A
BB wins $57.75
(Rake: $3.00)