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Hypothetical question:

Lets assume you are UTG w/ KK and open for a normal 4x bb raise. Every ones folds to the BTN who pushs for 60bb. Both Blinds fold and it is back to you.

BTN is 15/1 with 1% 3bet over ~700 hands. Do you call?

11-05-2009 , 03:42 PM

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enty

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i dont think they can actually enforce that rule though, i mean how are they supposed to check for it ? has anyone ever gotten caught yet ?

kinda funny that tilt looks down on it when they allowed datamining at their tables until july

11-05-2009 , 03:45 PM

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SammyG-SD

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DDAWD

I'm not planning on buying HH, but what do you think of the ethics of it? I know full tilt looks down upon hand histories from hands you don't play.

They have closed accounts and taken monies for people using PTR.

11-05-2009 , 03:46 PM

#7355

SammyG-SD

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Quote:

Originally Posted by enty

yes the monitor what programs and websites you go to whenever you have the client open. Datamining has always bee against the T&C.

11-05-2009 , 03:48 PM

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KurtSF

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SammyG-SD

Datamining has always bee against the T&C.

Nope. It was allowed and acceptable for quite a long time before they changed.

11-05-2009 , 03:50 PM

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King Spew

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instacall with kings

11-05-2009 , 03:50 PM

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SammyG-SD

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KurtSF

Nope. It was allowed and acceptable for quite a long time before they changed.

they changed it two years ago, but was a "soft penalty" about a year ago they put it tougher in the T&C and about 6 months ago was when the first accounts started to get closed.

11-05-2009 , 03:50 PM

#7359

enty

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SammyG-SD

yes the monitor what programs and websites you go to whenever you have the client open. Datamining has always bee against the T&C.

that still doesnt allow them to spot people buying hands when tilt is not open and importing them in to pt3/hem.

unless u are suggesting that tilt is monitoring everyone even when the client isn't open in which case i say FUBigBrother

but i thought datamining was possible until july ? you could just observe a table with import running and the HH would be imported right ? they wrote that into their software but at the same time didn't allow it ?

11-05-2009 , 03:52 PM

#7360

King Spew

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Kurt, my thinking is datamining was against ToC, but never enforced.

11-05-2009 , 03:57 PM

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SammyG-SD

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The thing about PTR is that since I moved full time to NL100 its been a lot more accurate. It has 28K hands on me, and I have 35K hands according to my DB. But what is amazing is how inaccurate its been with my winnings. Like my last session was 1K hands, and PTR has about about 400 hands on me for that time, but the winnings is $37 according to PTR vs PT3 and my Cashier of $347.

So in the last three months PTR says I have played 28K hands and won $1400. Over that time I have taken out $6k and my BR is bigger than when I started....so is money just randomly appearing in my account?

11-05-2009 , 03:58 PM

#7362

SammyG-SD

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Quote:

Originally Posted by King Spew

Kurt, my thinking is datamining was against ToC, but never enforced.

for the last 2.5 years this is correct. You would get a "please don't do that" email.

11-05-2009 , 04:00 PM

#7363

enty

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yeah ptr and winnings = fail
but i really dont care if my ptr is off, it will just confuzzle my opponents who care enough to look me up

11-05-2009 , 04:01 PM

#7364

Equus asinus

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SammyG-SD

[x] thinly veiled brag imo

11-05-2009 , 04:01 PM

#7365

SammyG-SD

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Quote:

Originally Posted by enty

I haven't seen anything running when the client is closed, but when its open it does have active monitoring of your open programs and data traffic.

Yes, until the latest change observed hands were written to a file, now the did away with that. Looking at the hands PTR does have, it seems they use a screen grab for the hands and it does not always capture it correctly. There are a few hands where they have shown 5 aces in the HH, or don't capture the showdown cards when they actually did show down.

11-05-2009 , 04:02 PM

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KurtSF

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Quote:

Originally Posted by King Spew

Kurt, my thinking is datamining was against ToC, but never enforced.

Not on tilt. Not back then.

11-05-2009 , 04:02 PM

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SammyG-SD

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Equus asinus

[x] thinly veiled brag imo

there are many here that put those number to shame, but I have been happy with my results so far.

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11-05-2009 , 04:04 PM

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KurtSF

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Sorry, slow responding...

I guess iI can't remember when they changed it.

11-05-2009 , 04:04 PM

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SammyG-SD

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Quote:

Originally Posted by enty

yeah ptr and winnings = fail
but i really dont care if my ptr is off, it will just confuzzle my opponents who care enough to look me up

the only reason I don't like it, is when I am trying to get coaching gigs. I think Split is the same. People are like "what is your PTR graph"...

11-05-2009 , 04:04 PM

#7370

enty

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SammyG-SD

there are many here that put those number to shame, but I have been happy with my results so far.

6,900 posts

now doesnt that require a hawt chick covered in spoiler tags ?

nvm.. 6901. u post a lot

11-05-2009 , 04:08 PM

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SammyG-SD

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fixed

11-05-2009 , 04:09 PM

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DDAWD

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Who is that?

11-05-2009 , 04:12 PM

#7373

SammyG-SD

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I have no idea.

11-05-2009 , 04:19 PM

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El Nino 1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DDAWD

Who is that?

Pretty sure its Nikki Cox from the tv series Las Vegas

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11-05-2009 , 04:19 PM

#7375

ready 2 win

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Quote:

Originally Posted by King Spew

instacall with kings

Cause you are not allowed to fold KK pre at the Mircos?

Yeah, that is Nikki Cox.
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