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10-31-2009 , 08:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nsoshnikov
Define marginal Poker player: A Poker player that plays marginal hands marginally.
fyp
10-31-2009 , 08:12 PM
lol

SB: $49.00
BB: $24.00
CO: $133.85
Hero (BTN): $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with J Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($4.50) Q Q Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($4.50) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, SB calls $2.50

River: ($9.50) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $45.50 all in, SB calls $44.50 all in

Final Pot: $98.50
SB mucks 6 A
Hero shows J Q (four of a kind, Queens)
Hero wins $96.50

"i cawl and play da board, THIS IS MY FOUR FIDY"
10-31-2009 , 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nsoshnikov
There can't be marginal Poker players with out marginal hands.

Define marginal Poker player: A Poker player that plays marginal hands.
So durrr is a marginal player by your definition.
10-31-2009 , 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by springsteen87
Because its frustrating teaching people worse than you, or because many don't listen?
Because it's a waste of my time.
10-31-2009 , 08:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RapidEvolution
I'm curious as to why KQs is considered a marginal hand.
According to some people 65s is better than KQs. I guess I missed the memo.
10-31-2009 , 08:20 PM
if you have a few extra minutes, this thread is epic, especially the Pics.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/11...s-live-608884/
10-31-2009 , 08:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nsoshnikov
I think my post makes sense. I don't want to get involved with marginal hands OOP, at least not in micros.
Yeah this makes a ton of sense...... By my reading, you don't want to play so called "marginal hands", which KQs is not, against bad players, but you would be inclined to play it against better players.

Sounds like a real winning strategy......

BTW this is why people fail miserably when they move up stakes. They try to make changes to their game against better players without knowing what they are doing.
10-31-2009 , 08:28 PM
Out of curiousity, I checked my DB.

KQ from UTG at 9handed tables over 250k hands at Full Tilt.
Limits NL10->NL100.

Occurred 140 times.

VPIP 75%, PFR 75%.

WR 0.79 BB/hand.

Seems good to me.

Last edited by Halvbjorn; 10-31-2009 at 08:30 PM. Reason: wrong position at first
10-31-2009 , 08:30 PM
i'm sure i sometimes fold and sometimes raise with that hand in the one hole.

but anything that helps me open up my game a little bit is helpful.
10-31-2009 , 08:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nsoshnikov
There can't be marginal Poker players with out marginal hands.

Define marginal Poker player: A Poker player that plays marginal hands.
yes there can... DUCY? if not, you have answered your own question Grasshopper.
10-31-2009 , 08:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will Graham
i'm sure i sometimes fold and sometimes raise with that hand in the one hole.

but anything that helps me open up my game a little bit is helpful.
I don't want people to think that I'm telling them to open up your game by playing more hands from EP. Trust me this is not a smart thing to do and I have a fairly tight EP range even though I run on the looser side of TAG. The point is that KQs is a hand that has a lot of value in NL hold 'em because it make a lot of big hands that can win stacks. And after all, winning stacks is what NL is all about and if you disagree then go play limit.......

10-31-2009 , 08:42 PM
i play the KQs g00t tonight!!! yet another successful lesson learned from the pages of the FTP micro regs that was carried over into the real world in tonights session... thanks to all of you whom made this hand possible. :::clap clap:::

Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $56.35
SB: $48.75
BB: $66.35
Hero (UTG): $50.50
UTG+1: $77.35
MP: $33.35
CO: $136.70

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with Q K
Hero raises to $1.50, 6 folds

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $1.25
Hero wins $1.25 - now i can get a BK double cheezbooger!!!
10-31-2009 , 08:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EN09
i play the KQs g00t tonight!!! yet another successful lesson learned from the pages of the FTP micro regs that was carried over into the real world in tonights session... thanks to all of you whom made this hand possible. :::clap clap:::

Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $56.35
SB: $48.75
BB: $66.35
Hero (UTG): $50.50
UTG+1: $77.35
MP: $33.35
CO: $136.70

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with Q K
Hero raises to $1.50, 6 folds

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $1.25
Hero wins $1.25 - now i can get a BK double cheezbooger!!!
Sick.
10-31-2009 , 08:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brocksavage1
Yeah this makes a ton of sense...... By my reading, you don't want to play so called "marginal hands", which KQs is not, against bad players, but you would be inclined to play it against better players.

Sounds like a real winning strategy......

BTW this is why people fail miserably when they move up stakes. They try to make changes to their game against better players without knowing what they are doing.
Listen, i was kidding about the marginal players

Anyways, my post flop skills are awful and this is why i tend to avoid marginal hands. ABC works out for now, maybe when i move on to higher limits i will have to open up my range but for now what works, does work. Not going to change my game right now. I am a NIT and its nice to be a nit at micros.
10-31-2009 , 09:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EN09
i play the KQs g00t tonight!!! yet another successful lesson learned from the pages of the FTP micro regs that was carried over into the real world in tonights session... thanks to all of you whom made this hand possible. :::clap clap:::

Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $56.35
SB: $48.75
BB: $66.35
Hero (UTG): $50.50
UTG+1: $77.35
MP: $33.35
CO: $136.70

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with Q K
Hero raises to $1.50, 6 folds

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $1.25
Hero wins $1.25 - now i can get a BK double cheezbooger!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by brocksavage1
Sick.
yeah... a "marginal player" wouldn't have been able to pull that move brock... well, maybe you and possibly joopan, but i'm not even sure about that... a combination of sick soul reads of the 6 other players, coupled with meticulous bet sizing to tell a story... they all read me for Aces, obv.

this is a sick play from the one hole and not for the weak of heart player... def a 3rd level move here.

as antonio esfandiari would say, "Pure..."
10-31-2009 , 09:14 PM
Anyone wanna do a sweat tonight? I am a proficient 25NL and 50NL fr player. I also play a bit a heads up cash profitably. You can sweat me or I will sweat you. PM me.

Last edited by agent_fish; 10-31-2009 at 09:15 PM. Reason: PM me.
10-31-2009 , 09:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by giddieup12
if you have a few extra minutes, this thread is epic, especially the Pics.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/11...s-live-608884/
o god, ****in lol
10-31-2009 , 09:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brocksavage1
I don't want people to think that I'm telling them to open up your game by playing more hands from EP. Trust me this is not a smart thing to do and I have a fairly tight EP range even though I run on the looser side of TAG. The point is that KQs is a hand that has a lot of value in NL hold 'em because it make a lot of big hands that can win stacks.

no, i understand that. i should have prefaced it by explaining how naturally nitty i am. almost obsessively so from up front. so i'm not going to go nuts in EP.

but yes i understand your larger point about certain hands having value. and me sometimes playing too tight pre, i give up some value which hurts my win rate.

and i like the free advice from peeps beating bigger games (i play 25nl and 50nl)
10-31-2009 , 09:23 PM
just checked PTR on a guy running over a fiddy table with 3b/4b kRaZiNeSs and find out he's -27k on 1.2mm hands! jeebus!

ofc he had AA v KK on me and he also 3b and flatted a 4b with Q3s for 2 pr to crush another AA... the kid was en fuego... but down 27k??? think i'd have to give it up boys.
10-31-2009 , 09:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EN09
just checked PTR on a guy running over a fiddy table with 3b/4b kRaZiNeSs and find out he's -27k on 1.2mm hands! jeebus!

ofc he had AA v KK on me and he also 3b and flatted a 4b with Q3s for 2 pr to crush another AA... the kid was en fuego... but down 27k??? think i'd have to give it up boys.
This is why online poker is profitable for those of us who aren't ****ing idiots.
10-31-2009 , 10:02 PM
this reminds me of a coonhound i used to own...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMS0O3kknvk

i get tears from laughing so hard every time i see this... is that bad???
10-31-2009 , 10:07 PM
sn please?
10-31-2009 , 10:18 PM
I will give you my sn over aim if you are talking to me.
10-31-2009 , 10:27 PM


is this a tournament or a cash game, i can't tell...
10-31-2009 , 11:36 PM
50NL FR. One of the tables you don't want to sit at. FY

      
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