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06-12-2009 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by **********
also, a 45% fold to 3bet is super exploitable lol. this means that the proper adjustment someone should make is starting to 3bet you for value with hands as weak as 99/TT/AT/AJ. this also means your probably 4betting light too much. i'm sure your aware of how other ppl perceive this. your standard tight 50NL/100NL player probably won't even realize this about you, or even have 3bet stats on his HUD, but any decent lag will be 5shoving u light in return at times.
I agree that it is exploitable in theory.

In practice, it does not get exploited (often enough to stop). I show a profit on my light 4 bets (high variance, but an ok winrate--200bb/100) and I come close to breaking even (-70bb/100, which is about 275bb/100 better than raising and folding) when I flat a c-bet (and I show a profit when I flat c-bets in position).

Calling and 4 betting as much as I do is itself an adjustment to the fact that at $50, players "know" they are supposed to 3 bet steals, but are generally pretty lost when they get called and brick the flop or when they get 4 bet and they are not holding a premium.

This strategy seems to be a failing strategy at $100 at FT, but seems to be preferable to folding at Stars, but my sample is too small to have a firm opinion, and I am, therefore, still evaluating and experimenting.
06-12-2009 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
I agree that it is exploitable in theory.

In practice, it does not get exploited (often enough to stop). I show a profit on my light 4 bets (high variance, but an ok winrate--200bb/100) and I come close to breaking even (-70bb/100, which is about 275bb/100 better than raising and folding) when I flat a c-bet (and I show a profit when I flat c-bets in position).

Calling and 4 betting as much as I do is itself an adjustment to the fact that at $50, players "know" they are supposed to 3 bet steals, but are generally pretty lost when they get called and brick the flop or when they get 4 bet and they are not holding a premium.

This strategy seems to be a failing strategy at $100 at FT, but seems to be preferable to folding at Stars, but my sample is too small to have a firm opinion, and I am, therefore, still evaluating and experimenting.
Is it normal for someone that has been playing online for a year to still be constantly experimenting with things? I can't help myslef, like even if I think a play is -EV I'll still do it sometimes just to see.... then make adjustments and rinse repeat. I kinda think this is a good thing long term for me but short term is probably killing me and letting me spew some what.
06-12-2009 , 12:53 AM
PS reg thread locked wat?
06-12-2009 , 12:53 AM
We're homeless now.....what's this thread like?
06-12-2009 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TWM
We're homeless now.....what's this thread like?
BAM, thats why I'm here......



Also sometimes I get confused/lost and post in wrong thread.
06-12-2009 , 12:56 AM
i love full tilt poker!!!
06-12-2009 , 12:57 AM
Sometimes you have to go with your gut imo

:ferguson:
06-12-2009 , 12:58 AM
Best avatars in the business.

Chicken ftw!
06-12-2009 , 12:58 AM
I'm a panda
06-12-2009 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by richbrown360
Is it normal for someone that has been playing online for a year to still be constantly experimenting with things? I can't help myslef, like even if I think a play is -EV I'll still do it sometimes just to see.... then make adjustments and rinse repeat. I kinda think this is a good thing long term for me but short term is probably killing me and letting me spew some what.
I think it is normal, but that is maybe because I do it.

the reality is the games are evolving steadily, and you have to change your game to keep a steady win rate. You don't know whether the adjustments you make are good ones or not, so whatever adjustment that is, is an experiment until you have a decently reliable sample.

This is how I started calling so many 3 bets. I saw that I had a good win rate, so I said, ldo, add a few hands/situations to your range. I did, it didn't affect my win rate, so i added more and more until I started to see a loss, and then I backed off to the last adjustment, and there I stay.

Plus, you are always looking for leaks in your game (I hope) and when you find one, you play that situation differently, and that is also an experiment until you know whether it is working.

Finally, hopefully you are moving up stakes, and every increase in stakes requires at least a few small adjustments--more experimentation.

So, yeah, I'd say it is normal if your goal is to improve and move up. If your goal is to grind at your current stakes, then I'd say you could just find a profitable strategy and grind it forever, or until the games pass you by.
06-12-2009 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
I think it is normal, but that is maybe because I do it.

the reality is the games are evolving steadily, and you have to change your game to keep a steady win rate. You don't know whether the adjustments you make are good ones or not, so whatever adjustment that is, is an experiment until you have a decently reliable sample.

This is how I started calling so many 3 bets. I saw that I had a good win rate, so I said, ldo, add a few hands/situations to your range. I did, it didn't affect my win rate, so i added more and more until I started to see a loss, and then I backed off to the last adjustment, and there I stay.

Plus, you are always looking for leaks in your game (I hope) and when you find one, you play that situation differently, and that is also an experiment until you know whether it is working.

Finally, hopefully you are moving up stakes, and every increase in stakes requires at least a few small adjustments--more experimentation.

So, yeah, I'd say it is normal if your goal is to improve and move up. If your goal is to grind at your current stakes, then I'd say you could just find a profitable strategy and grind it forever, or until the games pass you by.
specificly struggle with this situation. Mainly I think it is because of the diverse player pool I am playing with. Having to keep up with 9 players at 16 different tables is redic. Been trying to cut back on tables to 10-12 and is so much better.

Please don't say that the games will pass me by
06-12-2009 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by **********
Hey guys, new poster to this thread. I'm a regular poster in the Small Stakes FR FTP thread. I don't regularly play lower than 100NL, but I'd like to come here and talk with the community and try to help offer up advice for you up and coming grinders trying to break into 100NL.
Welcome, Im guessing we have played together at 100?
06-12-2009 , 01:58 AM
FTP is awesome! The best place to play if you're a full time pro!!! I mean there is 27% rakeback!!!! Pokerstars doesn't give any rakeback!!!!!!!!!!!!!
06-12-2009 , 02:04 AM
Epitome of the last month: get in with middle set against A high flush draw and JJ (wtf?!) and lose all day.


Aweeesssommmeeeeee.
06-12-2009 , 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by QQ-Q u a d s-QQ
pshh pshh mpethy id say im a lag and im a winnnnnnnnnner!
are we allowed to discuss strategies that beat you in this thread? currently, you are one of the few players on ft that i knowingly and reluctantly spew to...
06-12-2009 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by dbdbdb
are we allowed to discuss strategies that beat you in this thread? currently, you are one of the few players on ft that i knowingly and reluctantly spew to...
and your sn is?
06-12-2009 , 04:38 AM
Hey you PStars fools, get the heck out of our thread

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Originally Posted by **********
Hey guys, new poster to this thread. I'm a regular poster in the Small Stakes FR FTP thread. I don't regularly play lower than 100NL, but I'd like to come here and talk with the community and try to help offer up advice for you up and coming grinders trying to break into 100NL.
Your most welcome, nice to have some higher stakes guys come in and give advice.
06-12-2009 , 06:47 AM
couple of months have passed since i last received a response from fulltilt saying that they would look into my rakeback request by email. Standard?
06-12-2009 , 07:02 AM
totally... same here.
06-12-2009 , 07:24 AM
send them a new email asking what the status is?
06-12-2009 , 07:26 AM
done that, got exactly the same response.
06-12-2009 , 08:25 AM
uh... what happened to stars reg thread?

**** went down?
06-12-2009 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by HappyPixel
uh... what happened to stars reg thread?

**** went down?
Irking a supermod is -EV.

Last edited by mpethybridge; 06-12-2009 at 08:44 AM. Reason: personal attacks got out of control
06-12-2009 , 09:35 AM
Someday when I grow up I want to be just like lessonsRextra.
06-12-2009 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by GRIND2SHINE
Someday when I grow up I want to be just like lessonsRextra.
hey I see you a lot at the fiddy
gl at the tables (stay off my blinds obv)

      
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