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07-20-2013 , 11:49 AM
PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 7)
SB: 102.52 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 24.44, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
BB: 108.6 BB (VPIP: 9.52, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 21)
UTG: 155.68 BB (VPIP: 18.47, PFR: 14.01, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 159)
Hero (MP): 110 BB
CO: 131.76 BB (VPIP: 52.38, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 21)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J 9

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) 8 2 T
BB checks, Hero bets 8.4 BB, fold, BB raises to 42 BB, Hero raises to 107 BB and is all-in, BB calls 63.6 BB and is all-in

Should I have bet slightly smaller on the flop? Other than that did I do anything wrong? Thanks in advance for your advice
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07-20-2013 , 11:52 AM
WP.

make a note on what BB's oversized raise is.
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07-20-2013 , 12:12 PM
NH wp
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07-20-2013 , 12:19 PM
Raising J9s preflop is a lil bit loose but playing aggressively like this in flops is the right way to do it!
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07-20-2013 , 12:20 PM
It's standard post.

Is this a standard open for you guys pre though, taking into account rest of the table etc?
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07-20-2013 , 12:42 PM
J9s is either going to be the top of your folding range or bottom of your calling range pre from MP
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07-20-2013 , 12:45 PM
Looks totally standard to me.

Open folding J9s from MP would be pretty nitty unless you've got a crazy dynamic with a good player in CO or BTN.
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07-20-2013 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Drachaon
Looks totally standard to me.

Open folding J9s from MP would be pretty nitty unless you've got a crazy dynamic with a good player in CO or BTN.
I don't consider it nitty. Just checked Ryan Fee's opening hand chart and J9s isn't in there. I know it's a ****ty way of looking at things but I think it shows open folding J9s in MP is fine.

Best thing ofc to do is check your database by position and see which hands you're winning and losing money with and adjust.
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07-20-2013 , 12:52 PM
Well, Ryan Fee is (or perhaps was: 2009?) basically a nit. If it works for you, all power, but it's still tight for modern 6 max. It's going to give you something like 16 VPIP.
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07-20-2013 , 12:54 PM
[QUOTE=Drachaon;39430569]

Open folding J9s from MP would be pretty nitty
Yeh don't listen to this
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07-20-2013 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Drachaon
16 VPIP.
Sounds pretty solid for MP.
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07-20-2013 , 02:22 PM
opening J9s can be fine from MP depending on table conditions

i would fold it here since we are OOP vs a 52.38/4.76 whos going to call pre alot meaning we have to play OOP with a marginal holding vs a likely calling station
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07-20-2013 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jamakine
Sounds pretty solid for MP.
Nah, that's overall VPIP according the chart we were talking about.
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07-20-2013 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JesusEatsCheese
i would fold it here since we are OOP vs a 52.38/4.76 whos going to call pre alot meaning we have to play OOP with a marginal holding vs a likely calling station
Even OOP I want to play pots with a 52/4.7 with J9s. Sure, you probably can't take him off better hands as easily, but those 70bb mistakes he makes on the river are surely going to make it profitable overall.

In any case it's surely a standard open when we're talking in the most general terms.
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07-20-2013 , 02:44 PM
I looked the chart briefly and according this:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...-guide-656805/

it is indeed 16 VPIP.

Yet imo EP and MP ranges are pretty solid, others can be widened considerable (esp ~5% blind defense). Imo J9s is playable from the MP but on the borderline. If blind defense is corrected to 15-20 area and CO/BTN is played a bit more aggressive it will be over 20 VPIP.
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07-20-2013 , 02:49 PM
Well played straight flush draws have good equity against everything except some bigger draws like 2 overcards+ a dominating FD. The check raise is really big so you should make a note of what he showed up with.
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07-20-2013 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by gorillachips
J9s is either going to be the top of your folding range or bottom of your calling range pre from MP
I don't understand. So you'll call a raise but fold if folded to you?
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07-20-2013 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by boycalledroy
I don't understand. So you'll call a raise but fold if folded to you?
No he's saying if you raise it's one of the weakest hands in your range, but if you fold it's one of the strongest hands you would fold. Now I'm not sure why exactly you would ever need to define the top of your folding range, once you've folded it's irrelevent how strong the hand is.
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