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OE flop, nuts turn, which line to take? OE flop, nuts turn, which line to take?

11-09-2014 , 09:46 PM
    Prima, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32487382

    CO: $6.14 (61.4 bb)
    BTN: $10.04 (100.4 bb)
    SB: $9.35 (93.5 bb)
    BB: $10.84 (108.4 bb)
    UTG: $18.31 (183.1 bb)
    MP: $21.81 (218.1 bb)

    Preflop:
    UTG folds, MP raises to $0.25, CO folds, BTN calls $0.25, SB folds, BB calls $0.15

    Flop: ($0.80) 7 Q T (3 players)
    BB checks, MP bets $0.46, BTN calls $0.46, BB folds

    Turn: ($1.72) 6 (2 players)
    MP checks, BTN bets $1, MP raises to $3.40, BTN calls $2.40

    River: ($8.52) 8 (2 players)
    MP bets $8.52, BTN folds

    Results: $8.52 pot ($0.42 rake)
    Final Board: 7 Q T 6 8
    BTN mucked and lost (-$4.11 net)
    MP mucked and won $8.10 ($3.99 net)



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    I am MP, my hand is 9s 8s
    This is my first converting of a hand history in a forum, so I apologize for it's crappiness, also I'm still using HM1.

    villain seems tag/nitty, 19/16/9 af 10 over 362 hands, when without initiative seems to play fit or fold, ftcbet 71% so far, when he just called flop I discounted 2pair/sets/monster draws pretty much, and while playing it seemed to me like he had much more draw on turn then made hand, and some made hands got BDFD, so I went for the x/r although I guess even such agrro could check behind pair+weakish draw.
    I guess his range would be made hand-TP KQ,JQ, maybe AQ, not sure, and draw, nfd, OE and pair+draw.
    What do you think the best line would be? b/b/b? x/c some rivers? or maybe bet/fold? also sizings?
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    11-10-2014 , 12:54 AM
    That turn line looks absolutely nutted as hell. Villain should definitely be folding AQ to your lol cbet flop/checkraise turn line. Just bet it normally.
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    11-10-2014 , 12:58 AM
    just bet all sreets
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    11-10-2014 , 01:16 AM
    as donkeystars said, just barrel.

    OTT: by c/r the nuts you weaken your 2-barrel range. gives villain the chance of a free card. the c/r also gives away a read. villain is not able to bluff-raise floats OTT

    you also seem to give away betsizing tells postflop.

    OTR: river coordinates the board even more. you want to get called by sets/2p but that sizing wont get called. you also wont get bluff-raised with that sizing
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    11-10-2014 , 01:18 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tynhgg
    just bet all sreets
    +1

    and don't bet pot otr
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    11-10-2014 , 01:42 AM
    Yeah that pot bet OTR is awful. No one is calling without a 9 especially after your super-nuts line on the turn.

    Honestly OP, bet flop/checkraise turn/pot bet river...you might as well just type in the chat 'I have the nuts' if you're going to play like this.
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    11-10-2014 , 06:43 AM
    river bet is not pot..... you can't bet more then the guy has..... it is 5,93 into 8,52, so I don't think there are any sizing tells there etc... also I probably should not have posted my hand because comments do seem results oriented...
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    11-10-2014 , 06:57 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by epix-
    as donkeystars said, just barrel.

    OTT: by c/r the nuts you weaken your 2-barrel range. gives villain the chance of a free card. the c/r also gives away a read. villain is not able to bluff-raise floats OTT

    you also seem to give away betsizing tells postflop.

    OTR: river coordinates the board even more. you want to get called by sets/2p but that sizing wont get called. you also wont get bluff-raised with that sizing
    Hey man, thank you for actually posting constructive criticism!
    First --villain is not able to bluff-raise floats OTT-- I don't worry about that because I don't think this villain here has any floats.

    Second --by c/r the nuts you weaken your 2-barrel range-- honestly this is prob the first time I used x/r nuts turn line, and generally I don't care about having balanced 2barrel range, it's nl10 and nobody cares, for start.

    Third --you want to get called by sets/2p but that sizing wont get called. you also wont get bluff-raised with that sizing-- As I said above sizing is not pot, it is 5,93 into 8,52, if the x/r was slightly bigger on t, then his stack on river would be slightly smaller I guess, but with this I guess I could have made a smaller bet for like half his stack and hope for a hero call, but I don't see him ever seeing fold eq with that pot size and his stack size in order to bluff raise any bet of mine.
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    11-10-2014 , 07:20 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kabaranko
    river bet is not pot..... you can't bet more then the guy has..... it is 5,93 into 8,52, so I don't think there are any sizing tells there etc... also I probably should not have posted my hand because comments do seem results oriented...
    the fact that your river donk isnt pot makes it slightly less bad, but no one itt is being results orientated imo. Your line is bad and super hard to balance.

    Edit: Sorry just realised this came across pretty harsh but there is some decent strat itt, dont post HH if your not open to advice. Gl at the tables.
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    11-10-2014 , 08:50 AM
    hey, it's not really a donk, I took initiative street before, there is absolutely no need to balance these things on micros imo, just try to exploit when you can.

    line prob is bad, that is why I posted in the first place, and I don't mind constructive criticism, again that is why I posted in the first place, I don't find general you must do this 1 liners as constructive criticism. Gl to you as well.
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    11-10-2014 , 09:53 AM
    oh yeah sorry not a donk
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    11-10-2014 , 11:40 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kabaranko
    river bet is not pot..... you can't bet more then the guy has..... it is 5,93 into 8,52.
    Oops
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    11-10-2014 , 01:17 PM
    more flop,

    BET. THE. TURN.

    as played villian has ~$6 left, so bet him all in, or shove all-in, betting pot just looks strong from a psychological perspective.
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    11-10-2014 , 01:52 PM
    Bet the turn. People check back some dumb stuff that they wouldn't fold. And they'll raise some of the stronger stuff anyway now that the board is so wet.

    Your right that balance isn't a big concern but it's still gets awkward when you aren't betting the nuts in certain spots as your range gets out of line. The main reason though is still that you miss too much value.
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