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11-15-2007 , 03:44 PM
Call flop/raise turn or call flop, call turn, call/checkbet/check river. Otherwise fold flop.

That's a lot of things to consider, but without more information I wouldn't really advocate a particular line as this is not a very common villain/situation (in my experience).

I like the call, raise turn line a lot if he's really leading OOP with a ton of hands and will call committed on the turn because I would play some Ax hands the same way.
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11-15-2007 , 03:51 PM
I also mentioned floating flop and raising all in on the turn before... i think it might be a good way to play the hand.

OP, would it be a problem for u if u uploaded the whole HH of the sng?

Id like to watch it on a replayer and see if i can get any information on villain.
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11-15-2007 , 03:56 PM
the problem with just calling against a T is that when he bets again like OP says he will do, we have to fold the best hand. this is a much bigger mistake in a pot that is now large than losing a little extra when we are behind
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11-15-2007 , 03:57 PM
Thank you all very much for the responses so far.

I agree that raising flop is bad for the aforementioned reasons. Also, I think villain is capable of bluff raising a min-raise here.

I think if I call flop I also should call on the turn. I'm still pretty convinced villain bets any ace and bluff on the turn, but he will probably check the river. If he has a ten or four he will check turn and river, allowing a value bet. I originally didn't think villain had a ten/four, so that's why I stated in the OP that he second barrels almost always.

However, some of you think he might have a ten. This means if villain has a ten/bluff often enough, I should call flop and turn and otherwise fold flop, right? What do you guys think is his distribution of aces/tens/bluffs?
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11-15-2007 , 03:58 PM
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I also mentioned floating flop and raising all in on the turn before... i think it might be a good way to play the hand.

OP, would it be a problem for u if u uploaded the whole HH of the sng?

Id like to watch it on a replayer and see if i can get any information on villain.
I don't like raising the turn, since I don't think villain calls with a T. BTW: villain has not donkbet into me before.

What's a good place to upload the HH?
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11-15-2007 , 03:59 PM
A lot of these players will check the river with a lot of aces.

Depending on board texture and player, I would almost rather see a river overbet than a river check from villain in this spot.

Regardless, it seems like the picture of villain is clearing up and you're probably calling flop turn and checking behind river (assuming you don't hit 2 outs or runner straight this hand).
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11-15-2007 , 04:09 PM
ive used sendspace.com before... should be easy.

A river overbet after a turn bet is not very possible. with a 400 turn bet the biggest possible bet is 1/2 PSB on the river. So its either going to be a shove or a check.
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11-15-2007 , 04:58 PM
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ive used sendspace.com before... should be easy.
I've uploaded the HH to http://www.sendspace.com/file/yvaaeh. I hope it's useful.
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11-15-2007 , 05:34 PM
Never thought I would write this: Just fold the flop and wait for a better spot.

I feel dirty.

He is betting into you because he is afraid that you will check behind. He wants you to raise if you have an ace.
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